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Old 12-21-2020, 06:53 PM
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I donít think you can blame Uncle Sugar for this one. Government ammo contracts are huge but are for extended periods. They just lumber along regardless of whatís going on in the world.

In 2008 there were 120,000 gun carrying federal LEOs. There are probably more now. Figure 1,000 rounds per year per LEO. That covers mandated quals, training, and rounds fired during the various academies. So, 120 million rounds per year, times ten years for a contract period.

1.2 billion rounds, guaranteed sale, direct from the manufacturer. Decade in, decade out. This is planned for.

And thatís just handgun ammo. We also qual with shotguns, ARs, and sometimes subguns. Add that in.

Oh yeah. That doesnít count the military.

None of these agencies thought: We better buy more ammo. Believe me, they have plenty.

Its harder to plan on commercial demand. If enough people decide to buy a years worth of anything all at once (toilet paper) then the shelves go bare quick. Nothing sinister, just people being people.
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IMHO I do not think that we as a country will ever come out of THIS AMMO SHORTAGE. With so many CRAZY Billionaires, spending hundreds of millions on political races, what is to stop them from buying up the component mfgs..What is a billion dollars out of your personal wealth? Just saying!!!
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IMHO I do not think that we as a country will ever come out of THIS AMMO SHORTAGE. With so many CRAZY Billionaires, spending hundreds of millions on political races, what is to stop them from buying up the component mfgs..What is a billion dollars out of your personal wealth? Just saying!!!
They could do that but they didn't get to be billionaires by being stupid. They don't spend a ton of money on a company to to lose it all closing it down. They also know somebody else will come along and build another one.
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Not sure how many of you caught this story.

Ammo Shortage Will Last Deep into 2021
American Rifleman | Ammo Shortage Will Last Deep into 2021

Hopefully people will start to realize there is alot of lies being told.

And the CEO says this????
ďWe currently have over a yearís worth of orders for ammunition in excess of $1 billion,Ē he said in his opening remarks.

All the people that are without jobs, this guy cant put people to work to catch up the orders?
He`s lucky i`m not his boss, he`d be on the unemployment line for his stupid statement.

They aren`t going to catch these orders up, this BS is being done on purpose.
What we need are PATRIOTS building ammo plants, powder and primer facilities!

Then all the fat an lazy CEO`s can feak out when other companies form and steal their profit glory.
Simply wow & here we go again. Hereís my reply to last conspiracy theorist on this subject. This was specifically primers. Holding back supply for any reason other than safety in the face of record breaking demand is not a sales strategy, itís incompetence, dereliction of duty, and definitely a fireable offense.

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They could do that but they didn't get to be billionaires by being stupid. They don't spend a ton of money on a company to to lose it all closing it down. They also know somebody else will come along and build another one.
Manufacturing ammo isn't where the high rollers are investing. Ammo is a commodities market like pork bellies and wheat. Buy the right company at the wrong time and see what happens.

Markets and investors are looking two years ahead. That's why DJIA is above 30K. Has nothing to do with present conditions because those will change. Ammo manufacturers will eventually catch up because the military has less need for high production. Check out the military surplus brass auctions. Nothing there indicating less training.

Olin, Federal and Magtech will catch up with demand within 12 months.
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I was wondering when someone would bring up the toilet paper comparison. Combination of panic buying as well as millions of new owners buying. As far as building new plants, who would want to risk that amount of investment when you don't know if the anti-gun nuts might come out with serious ammo sales restrictions in the next year or so?
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Wow! There is a term often used for "tongue in cheek" statements. Called sarcasm. But some people have the sense of humor of a lead bullet and can't/won't understand obvious sarcasm...
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Wow! There is a term often used for "tongue in cheek" statements. Called sarcasm. But some people have the sense of humor of a lead bullet and can't/won't understand obvious sarcasm...
Oh OK, THIS time I see the "sarcasm" in the above statement (not the former one)! Wow! Got it!

NEXT time why don't you try using the sarcasm emoji:

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How did you guess. Some people are clueless and are a danger to the rest of us.
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Oh OK, THIS time I see the "sarcasm" in the above statement (not the former one)! Wow! Got it!
NEXT time why don't you try using the sarcasm emoji:


mikld Quote: "GET OVER IT ALREADY"...
WOW! You still missed the sarcasm emoji
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I missed nothing, especially the "mandatory" little faces. But I'll give you the last word, seems like it is needed...

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Yep, us and not the FBI, Homeland, ICE, etc. getting all the ammo, because the libtard government trying to disarm the citizenry via the back door...

I missed nothing, especially the "mandatory" little faces. But I'll give you the last word, seems like it is needed...

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When I stated GET OVER IT, I was not being sarcastic. I find your post#40 to be exceptionally arrogant and politically derogatory. I was hoping you would eventually realize that and cease, but you proved me wrong on that.
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Reality: if you shoot you create a shorthand directly proportional to it.
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There's an ammo shortage? Hadn't noticed...

My problem is getting range time with the beer virus restrictions...
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My problem is getting range time with the beer virus restrictions...
Well,... from Southern Tejas we just switched over to Lone Star.
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Don't forget that All government agencies have ammo contracts with FEDERAL/SPEER /CCI /REMINGTON. Military has ammo contracts ,THEY will be served FIRST. We just get to buy what's left. Public loves 9mm , 5.56 and .308 because they are Military calibers but that puts you in direct competition with military for those rounds. They win that contest. Focus on non Military calibers and you might have better selection and inventory.
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You can help by shooting single shots and not just ammo dumps. I get disgusted when I go to our range in the sticks and see 25 rounds or more of 223/5.56 spent brass laying 10 yards from the target. Spray and pray practice is not helping shortages.
Silly statement. It is their money, their ammo, they get to shoot it the way they want. Like telling other people to not drive their 4x4 to save gas for your Prius.
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I have found the same thing every time i search for components...in stock in Canada, no stock in the US. Canadian companies won't ship to the US and you can't drive across the border to make a purchase....
why can't we drive across the border and buy and come home.
what's the difference if I were buying clothes, shoes, tire for my truck or whatever ?
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why can't we drive across the border and buy and come home.

what's the difference if I were buying clothes, shoes, tire for my truck or whatever ?
So far as I know, Right now the border is closed, without a valid reason, you can't just drive across. And seems i read something about needing a PAL license to buy components in Canada.

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Silly statement. It is their money, their ammo, they get to shoot it the way they want. Like telling other people to not drive their 4x4 to save gas for your Prius.
Not a silly statement. Just a partial explanation of why some people are short on ammo. And it's not like telling other people not to drive a 4x4 to save gas for his Prius. It's like telling other people not to leave a moving van idling for an hour and then moan about not having enough gas. He already has enough gas for his Prius.

My outlook is a little different, and only applies to people who have been shooting for a while. We have been through this a few times. Time to wise up already and stock some.
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Not a silly statement. Just a partial explanation of why some people are short on ammo. And it's not like telling other people not to drive a 4x4 to save gas for his Prius. It's like telling other people not to leave a moving van idling for an hour and then moan about not having enough gas. He already has enough gas for his Prius.

My outlook is a little different, and only applies to people who have been shooting for a while. We have been through this a few times. Time to wise up already and stock some.
You are a funny person. You don't want anyone else to enjoy what they have, just because you may not have the same, nor planned ahead sufficiently to have what others have and are enjoying.

Remember that this ammo shortage is self-created by "...people who have been shooting for a while..." and not from some conspiracy theory to take away our gunzz...

My advice is to go shoot what you have and quit worrying about how often/much others shoot.
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Some stores are getting Ammo, but it is selling out as quick as it hits the shelves. The local Academy gets shipments in 3 days a week. They put everything they have on a rolling cart and roll it out to the middle of the floor on those delivery days. There are folks waiting at the door that go and buy their 3 limit max with their friends and family getting theirs. The ammo is gone in short order. If you are lucky enough to get there in time, you can get your 3 box limit for pre-panic prices. Many of those early birds are flipping the ammo on gunbroker etc. This is driving prices up also.

We are in a perfect storm right now. Questions about police authority, covid, election issues etc, hasn't allowed the manufactures to catch up.

If you remember a few years ago when the AR panic hit $600 guns were going for $2k+. Lots of new startup companies making ARs and this time last year you could get them for $400 or even less because the market became saturated with the new companies. Starting up a machine company building guns can be done in your garage. Starting up an ammo plant is a lot more red tape and cost. It would be nice if a new company could be started up in short order to catch up the demand and bring down the prices for us consumers, but I think we are just going to have to wait the storm out and hope the political environment coming doesn't make things worse.

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I was at the LGS yesterday and noticed they had more ammo on the shelves than they've had recently. I didn't really check into what it was or what the price as I don't buy factory ammo. I was there buying powder.

I'm on good terms with the owner as I shop there frequently and as I was checking out he told me to come in Thursday as he's expecting to get some primers. You can bet I'll be there and if he does get them I'll buy whatever the limit is. Last time he had some the limit was 500.
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I worked in factories all my life. Both as a union employee and a supervisor. It has bee difficult to hire good workers for the past 40 years. How many of the lazy ones are yours? Mine all work for a living.
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You are a funny person. You don't want anyone else to enjoy what they have, just because you may not have the same, nor planned ahead sufficiently to have what others have and are enjoying.

Remember that this ammo shortage is self-created by "...people who have been shooting for a while..." and not from some conspiracy theory to take away our gunzz...

My advice is to go shoot what you have and quit worrying about how often/much others shoot.
You may have me mixed up with some other poster. I have no problem with others' enjoying whatever they have, and I am certainly not motivated by some shortage of my own, because I have plenty of ammo of my own, of every caliber and cartridge that I use.

I do not believe that the present shortage was created by a conspiracy, or by people who have been shooting for a while, but it really doesn't matter to me, since I don't have a shortage, anyway.

I did defend mtgianni's right to comment on the use of ammo by some of those who are pissing and moaning about a shortage when they are pretty wasteful (in his and my opinion) of what they do have.

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I stocked up as well. I don't consider 15 to 20 yards a far enough distance for my shooting for 9mm and 38 so when I see someone 223/5.56 at a closer distance on the pistol range and call it "training" I wonder if their training involves using the sights.
Well target shooting beyond 20y with a pistol isnt training either.
To each their own. Its their time & money. If they want to blast 100rds of 223 at 20y, have at it.
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Not a silly statement. Just a partial explanation of why some people are short on ammo. And it's not like telling other people not to drive a 4x4 to save gas for his Prius. It's like telling other people not to leave a moving van idling for an hour and then moan about not having enough gas. He already has enough gas for his Prius.

My outlook is a little different, and only applies to people who have been shooting for a while. We have been through this a few times. Time to wise up already and stock some.
Jmo, I dont think the guys blowing 25rds of 223 at 20y are complaining about ammo shortages. No its the part time shooter that was used to dropping by Wally for a box of ammo 3-4x a year. Serious shooters stock pile ammo or components so we aren't short during these ever increasing shortages.
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You may have me mixed up with some other poster. I have no problem with others' enjoying whatever they have, and I am certainly not motivated by some shortage of my own, because I have plenty of ammo of my own, of every caliber and cartridge that I use.

I do not believe that the present shortage was created by a conspiracy, or by people who have been shooting for a while, but it really doesn't matter to me, since I don't have a shortage, anyway.

I did defend mtgianni's right to comment on the use of ammo by some of those who are pissing and moaning about a shortage when they are pretty wasteful (in his and my opinion) of what they do have.

Capisce?
So you get to decide on what is useful or wasteful use of ammo??? Pretty bold for someone thst doesnt care???
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Just remember that every time you "miss" the bullseye is a wasteful use of ammo...
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Same issue as the toilet paper drama. Companies had a couple month surplus built up but even that was wiped out and they couldnt keep supply up to the stores. Same idiotic type people buying up all the ammo/reloading stuff available.
When I was in CA, I went to Walmart one morning early to get my wife a new battery before she had to drive to work. She had to have a jump start the night before. I usually have some sort of ammo/firearms hat on, get them from the reps that come to the academy. 4-5 guys standing, waiting for the door to open just stared at me. It was weird. Right before they opened, I took a cart to my car and got the old battery. When I got to the door , one guy said oh you need a new battery. I said yes, thats the only reason I would be there that early. Suddenly everyone was friendly and smiling. Oh we thought you were here for the 22 ammunition , it comes on thursday morning. Same guys reselling 22 ammo on the boards in CA , thats why normal people couldnt get any.
LAPD routinely purchased around 5 million worth of various ammo annually. It was common for the manufacturers to contact us to advise that they had some big 6-8 million round ammo orders in the future and we should get anything we need now as all machine used to produce pistol ammo would be tied up for 6 months. As they could only produce SO much SO fast. I grew up in East Alton Il. right behind the old S/W ammo factory. Believe me if they could make more money they would.
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So you get to decide on what is useful or wasteful use of ammo??? Pretty bold for soneone thst doesnt care???
So you get to decide what I can and can't have an opinion on? Pretty bold for someone who has an opinion himself.
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So you get to decide what I can and can't have an opinion on? Pretty bold for someone who has an opinion himself.
Like I said above, "...You are a funny person. ..." Yup, you Model520fan are so humble as to NOT have an opinion,... right? If not, read your own reply. Just sayin'


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If you have a GT Distributors local to you there is some 40 and a little bit of 9mm. It didnít help me though; I needed 380.
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Question Yup Multiple small Pkgs from Major Mfg. per Day... YUP

As IF I could believe that a very MAJOR producer of ammo/powder/primers/brass/etc. would currently be shipping small packages of same product and size, multiple times a day across the USA (because they are/were NOT concerned about additional shipping costs of small shipments), read on...:

Yep, directly from the Golden Days of "Bait-N-Switch" brings you...

Got a response from floor personnel, that states:
Dear ZZZZZl,
Thank you for your email. I do apologize for the frustration this is causing. Due to the extremely high demand for some products they have been selling out quickly. We do have products coming in and out all the time. Sometimes multiple shipments of the same product come in on any given day. This was not intended to frustrate anyone but an attempt to keep them in stock.
If you have any additional questions or comments, please feel free to contact us. Our hours of operation are Monday through Friday 8:30 AM to 4:00 PM CST.
Thanks for Your Business!
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QUESTION: Just WHY is/are all items regarding ammo/powder/primers/bullets ALWAYS "out of stock"??? That is EXCEPT for a few micro-seconds of "buy now"? Just wondering...
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Just bide your time. 2 years from now ammo is going to glut the market and the prices will be very low...buy it cheap and stack it deep.
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went on bass pro Canadian website everything is available ammo , bullets, primers, brass any size, type and kind most all made in America. so tell me now what the problem is
Bye the way not shipped to the usa.
Different situation in Canada
Much smaller population, fewer shooters, more gun and ammo laws, and I think it may be illegal to use a firearm for self defense.
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When manufacturing moved overseas they took a lot of the pollution with them. When I was a kid in the 60's there were greazy little factories everywhere. Now they're gone, along with the slag heaps and oil slicks.

My lead comes from...I'm not gonna say.
Here's the crazy side of lead. 5 yrs ago lead was pretty HIGH.

Zero was still in office with ammo short in some calibers... NOW,

with the greatest ammo shortage l have ever seen lead is very LOW
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