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145 gr 9mm Data
I found some 9mm bullets but they are 145 gr and I only have Ram Zip for powder. My manuals and what I have found online give load data for Ram Zip with 147 grain bullets, but no data for 145 grain. I have found data for 145gr but not for use with Ram Zip powder.
I am loading for training only, and do not need precision accuracy or any particular velocity so I think I should be safe going with a mid level load for 147 gr bullets. I would appreciate any advice on this. I am only concerned with safety at this point, not performance.
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01-22-2021, 10:47 PM
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You can safely use the load date using Ram Shot and 147 gr for your 145 gr bullets.
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Thank you Trooperdan.
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Rule of thumb, as long as the bullets are of the same basic construction and style - i.e. both FMJ or both cast lead RN or both plated RN, etc. - a given powder charge is virtually always safe to use with the next lighter weight bullet. You can use the powder charge for a 147gr bullet for anything down to a 124gr. You can use the powder charge listed for a 124gr bullet for anything down to a 115gr. You can use the powder charge listed for a 115gr bullet for anything down to a 100gr, etc,
So your charge for a 147gr is perfectly safe with a 145gr - as long as the bullets are otherwise basically the same - both FMj, both cast RN, both plated RN etc.
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Rule #1 with a 145-147 gr. bullet in a 9mm pistol is to get the OAL correct
for the amount of powder that you are using.
This long bullet can take up a lot of space in the little 9mm case and build up pressures in a hurry if you try to "Hot Rod" loads.
In my 3.5" C9 pistol a FMJ 147 with fast to slow powders will do
807 to 975 fps, with the Speer TMJ.
In my 5" barrel a 1.165" OAL load of red Dot will do 848 fps
and a OAL of 1.13" with BE-86 will do 1220 fps, with the Berry plated RN. (edit: 1220 should read 1040fps ) sorry.
850-890 seems to be a sweet spot for a nice target load.
Have fun.
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"...and a OAL of 1.13" with BE-86 will do 1220 fps , with the Berry plated RN."
There is only one load in Hodgdons (for "any powder") using a 147gr bullet with a MAX velocity above 1K (and THAT'S just barely: @ 1004!)... Ed, that 1200+ seems (at least to me) to be really high?
Jus' askin'...?
Cheers!
P.S. And that doesn't appear to be a TP (thick plate) version, either.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by STORMINORMAN
"...and a OAL of 1.13" with BE-86 will do 1220 fps , with the Berry plated RN."
There is only one load in Hodgdons (for "any powder") using a 147gr bullet with a MAX velocity above 1K (and THAT'S just barely: @ 1004!)... Ed, that 1200+ seems (at least to me) to be really high?
Jus' askin'...?
Cheers!
P.S. And that doesn't appear to be a TP (thick plate) version, either.
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You are correct...........
that 147 fps of 1220 was for a 124gr,
the 147 gr bullet with BE-86 does 1040 fps.
I was looking at the wrong line of my data notes.
Thank you for the heads up.
PS;
but we all know that data might be watered down from the ammo of Yor
and older ammo was a little stouter than today's .
I betya that I could probably get another 180fps out of that bullet if I tried but I'm not into shooting "Major loads" in my pistols.
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PS;
still wrong info....
I will get it right and be back.
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Nor am I..
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Originally Posted by Nevada Ed
PS;
did some checking.
Buffalo Bore loads the 147 gr 9mm bullet up to 1175fps.
If you Shoot 9mm Major with the 147 gr. bullet and use BE-86 powder...........
in the right pistol, it will do......................
1372 fps.
However, I am not going there.
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Discretion being the better part of valor... Nor am I! That's way into so-called "9mm +P+" territory!
P.S. Not even CLOSE!
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Long story short...........
That 1372fps Major loads fps is for a 124 gr bullet.
The 147 gr bullet in a Major load does 1175 fps with a PF of 172 Max.
1130 fps with a PF of 163 is the starting Major load.
Buffalo Bore does load a 147 gr. bullet to 1175 fps if you have a weapon that will shoot this +P+ ammo, safely.
Geeeezzzze.
I need a cup of coffee.
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