I'll admit that the entire thing irritates me.

Honestly, shooting and reloading is my only hobby. When there's a full on panic and things go nuts, it's easily 12-24 months where the entire scene is a hot mess. Not only does it make things difficult to get, the prices are silly and worst of all, it ruins forums. A mass majority of discussions on firearm forums have been relating to the panic.

It's a super first world problem, but I was planning on getting a 45-70 lever action in 2021. Where I could *possibly get my hands on the actual firearm, getting reloading dies would be very difficult and I can forget about getting proper powder, projectiles, or brass. So...on the back burner it goes. Maybe by this time next year, I'll be able to move forward with things...

I have the funds for a pre-panic N Frame (old school Smith of course) just waiting to be spent. Not going to do it in this crazy panic world. Will wait or just fold...

The Preacher

Why? He paid his fee to set up. He can ask anything he wants for his products- you don’t have to buy it.
Never thought I’d see so many “Pro-2A” people whine like little snowflake socialists.

I'm looking forward to the rapid decline of the ludicrous prices on GunBroker, etc.

I understand the law of Supply & Demand, but it's sad that so many people have become greedy beyond all measure.

I too am hoping DEMAND slackens in the coming months. But it is demand that has pushed prices where they are currently, not greed. If you truly understood free market economics, you would realize greed isn’t involved in setting market prices. Take a look at some hot housing markets around the country. Are those “greedy sellers” pushing prices far above original listing price? Nope, it is buyers making those offers to attempt to acquire a scarce commodity where demand is exceeding available supply.

I do understand the economics involved.

Private sellers are short-term profiteers.

Reputable business are in it for the long haul. They too can charge whatever they want but they choose to hold the line and serve there core customers.

Home prices go up because no one is making anymore land, materials are scarce (priced any 2x4's lately?), and new construction has to take place on available lots.



I think we can agree to disagree.

I find cci primers at my local sportsman’s warehouse a couple times a month for $23.99 per 1k. And they’re on sale.

Yep, same here. Federal are $29. But it’s all about timing because they only get a few bricks in at a time and they literally last seconds.

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Went to sportsmans Warehouse this morning, stood in line for 1 1/4 hours.
No primers.
No powder.


BassPro was up next...
No primers.
No powder.

Big R...
No primers.
No powder.


Locally own "Specialty" gun store.
No primer.
No powder.
The counter guy said they haven't seen any of those since last march.


So I'm really starting to believe in alien abductions, the guy on the grassy knoll, faked moon landings and that somewhere in the world there are legit primers for sale.

3/16/2021 11:51 am

A gentleman named Dave let me have a box of Federal small pistol primers that he had for his use............

since the store was sold out.

Not too bad price wise at 100 for $5.40 out the door.

Missed a 1,000 box by 20 minutes.

Thanks again, Dave.

PS;
Now I know that I am getting old because............
I forgot to ask for my seinior/Veterans DISCOUNT !!

SW "smaw wifle" SR primers for Fudds.

Tonight I checked Powder Valley . They don't have any primers but did show that if they had primers , they would be $50-$55 / thousand . I sincerely hope that is not what's coming ? Regards Paul

Why I don't go to gun shows any more.

It seems like I remember a primer shortage way back in the 90's, I believe. I can't recall the reason, but I knew a few fellows who bought many more than they would ever need and after the scare, they tried to sell the primers for what they paid for them. They had no luck. Can someone refresh my memory as to what caused that shortage and when it was.

Can't remember when but I remember guys trying to sell really old primers and that they were unreliable. That added even more to guys not being able to sell for what they paid. But we are talking about the same thing. And the stock pile of primers by folks and then not being able to use or sell them.

Kind of like the TP thing last year. Guess folks used all that TP for something.

My son was informed that his job was changed and he had to relocate. Sad story, but whatever.

Last year he had refinanced so he had a recent appraisal. His friend, a real estate agent, told him to highball the price.

The original listing was $200,000 above the last appraisal. The house sold the 2nd day after a bidding war. He got $60,000 above the listing price. He did it all himself, so no real estate commission.

Sure don't want to be a buyer these days....

Today at the Big Reno Show, I saw primers ranging from $125 to $300 per 1000. From what little I paid attention to ammo prices it looked to be going for $.80 to $2+ a round for common rifle and pistol ammo. Every table had at least a few boxes of ammo; looked like sellers raided their personal cache. There was 4 large ammo vendors, which attracted 90% of attendees; the isles were empty.

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Agreed. One simple rule to follow....price too high, don't buy.

Too many people have paid little attention to what the anti-2nd crowd has been up to in the last 40+ years. They have not yet learned to stock up on reloading supplies or ammunition when the demand is low and the prices are reasonable. Of course it's not their fault (sarc.), so they blame people who have paid attention and are willing to sell their goods at a price that the unprepared people are WILLING to pay.

So sad that they demand people sell their goods at the prices they paid to sleepy people who had no foresight. Scary that so many people have a socialist's mindset and don't even know it.

I don't know for sure, but is it possible that the mfgrs are charging the distributors more, they in turn charge the LGS more based on volume and the LGS has no option but to charge those prices or close their doors. I don't know if the LGS is making that much more profit. Let's look at the mfgrs and distributors gouging and the LGS making a product available to someone that wants it.
Just saying
Len

Can you pick up 2000 for me ? ill give you twice the cost plus shipping things are dry here in the peoples republic of New Jersey
a\cant find them anywhere .I am desperate

Yeah, but he only needs to sell one.

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I've still got it made.

STAY AWAY!

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So many S&W's, so few funds!!

I don't understand? Stay away? Because GoDaddy is their registrar?

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Would it be the recent creation date that would indicate they may not be established. Kinda, like having to have x number of posts to list something for sale ?

Weekend purchase; again at my secret undisclosed Local Gun Shop
that has CCI primers brick (10/100ct boxes) for
$28.99+$1.88tax= $30.87.

I'm done buying Primers for awhile. I think I have enough LP, LR,
SR, and Magnum primers for this 4 year cycle.

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Stopped at the farm store on my way home from work. They had 200 round boxes of 223 for $129.99/box. Saw a guy buying 2 boxes. So glad I reload and thought to buy primers.

I'm getting tired of driving around to all the shops around here. I work during the day so midweek trips are out of the question. I talked to a counter-guy at a local big-box sporting goods store and they see the same 5-10 guys every morning buying every brick that comes in....One brick at a time. I don't stand a chance.

Online? Me and everyone else is on some sort of waiting/notification list.


I may need to find a different hobby.

That makes sense.

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I went to my favorite LGS after work today and they had 75? 80K fresh CCI SPP just in. My name was on their call list so I was able to pick up my share (3K) @ $39.50 per 1000, pretty much their standard price even before the panic.

I could flip it right now for 4X what I paid but who knows when the next batch will show up, and at what price, so I'll just add them to the stash and not worry about components for the next few months.

Did I mention they are my favorite LGS?

If I had to take a stab, it was either who got into the White House or post passing of the 1994 AWB...

I reload .357/38 spl. 18 months ago I bought 600 SPP at Bass Pro Shop in Gurnee, IL. I thought that would hold me over until the next time I needed some. Everybody is losing on this shortage. Reduced range time, no R&D on my side. I'm just keeping my home defense loads at home (500 rounds mixed). I have plenty of powder and bullets but less than 200 SPP. I shoot a 19-3 and have had a blast loading mild to wild. My last batch was made for my gal who enjoys this revolver. .38 Spl. Acme H Tek coated 148g WC.DBB, 5.6g IMR Red. No sqibs, recoil or issues of any kind. So I wait so I can reload what I shoot at the range.

Primers at $1 each.........

That guy must really like to load ammo............

if he is hoping to make a profit, I would be happy as a clam, to see the prices start to drop and have him caught, holding the bag.

I can say a lot of things but I don't want to raise my blood pressure or let this get to me.
It will pass.

I would agree that that is about the time I remember it. When Clinton and Gore were pushing a bunch of this and other stuff.

Can I get a check on this data?

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JMHO-YMMV

Exactly!
You HAVE to eat, you don't HAVE to shoot. Everyone on here LOVES Capitalism, until it costs THEM money!

Yes, the seller can charge whatever he wants.
No, I as the buyer do not have to buy at the stated price.


So maybe he has been out of work. Maybe he is just some guy taking advantage of people that are in panic buying mode.


Either way, it is a free market. You (in general) are free to purchase at grossly inflated prices, and the rest of us (in general) are free to shop wisely and not pay insane prices.

Are those the V Crown JHP bullets?

It was after the bombing of the Federal building in Oklahoma City. The (false) rumor was that the feds required the primer manufacturers to change to a compound that had only a couple year shelf life.

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You would think guys that are into loading would have several thousand primers on hand. When they saw another panic coming - stock up. No doubt the people buying at crazy prices are the ones driving the market.
I hope they choke on them. I’ve got no sympathy for the buyers and I don’t blame the seller one bit. I know people who where complaining about crazy prices on ammo and components. After a while when prices climbed past high to ridiculous, these same people decided ( very quietly ) to sell some of their stash at 1000% price. Some people got no sense of priorities and are caught short every time one of these panics come along.

More than a few of us are sitting quietly content having learned from the past...

The Preacher

Whether or not I "HAVE" too shoot depends on other people. The ability to defend and protect me and what's mine has always been a top priority for me. Ammo is a necessity! Larry

I feel that way too. I guess we could go a good month without having to go to the store. We buy canned goods by the case and bulk amounts of other foods. By same token I have never been so low on ammo that I worried about impending attack. I hate to have to engage in gun battles that shoot up precious ammo not to mention the paper work that you have to go through after each battle. Therefore I like to keep the killings to the minimum.

I still can't believe that a virus caused a panic on firearms related stuff. Plus toilet paper, and bottled water, but those recover quickly. I have seen the panics of the past 40+ years, but never one that wasn't driven by political pressure. People are funny things. I guess if I needed money, and there are plenty who do, I'd try to sell my personal stash at a show, or just put a price on it and see what happens. Being that I really didn't want to see it go. It's odd seeing partial boxes being sold. You know, that box with 23 rounds still in it, that you sold the only gun you had in that caliber in 1995. $25, please.

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Torn & Frayed

Go ahead.................

make me an offer, I can't refuse.

I dare you.

It's funny you'd bring this up...the partial boxes for sale amuse me.

It's like when there's a scene in a post-apocalyptic movie where some high plains drifter walks into a shanty market somewhere and when he asks for ammo, they hand him 5 random bullets.

So what is a "fair" price on some of this stuff? Even before the shortage I was thinking about decreasing my inventory just a bit. I have more of some things than I will ever use. I stocked up on some things knowing I was going to retire eventually and wanted to be set. Well, I am there. At the same time I anticipated some calibers that never happened.

I have a case of M-193 Centurian .223, sealed

2 bricks of 1,000 CCI 200 large rifle primers,

1 brick of 1,000 CCI BR-2 large rifle bench rest primers

I could easily part with a bunch of 22 ammo as well. I didn't realize it was in short supply once again.

What a crazy world we live in.

I got caught with my pants down, but I'm not out. Maybe 1100 primers left, but I already primed 2000 cases of assorted calibers, and I already have thousands of loaded rounds, so I'm still in the game. If or when this panic stabilizes I'm going to make sure I have 10,000 primers of every size I use on hand.

None of the shops near me have seen one primer in a year. I have no Sportsman's Warehouse or Bass Pro shops near me, and I'm not going to stand in line every day for hours to MAYBE get them. I'm just not playing this game.

But I'm sure the new normal price will be closer (if not over) $50 a brick.

Not if many other reloaders do as you and buy 10,000 primers of every type they use. It'll be another "dry" year!

I find them at 7 - 9c with a 100 count limit.

It went up 3c from December though I am still very thankful I found some.

On other hand it also costs me about 1 hour of driving, and 10 min of standing in line witnessing the 2020's departure from the norm still going almost as strong.

I may have the wrong things locked up in my safe. Remove the firearms and replace with reloading components.