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Old 07-22-2021, 01:17 PM
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There is only ONE WAY to control prices.... cease the DEMAND.

DON'T BUY..........

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That will only happen when people are more willing to not pay the prices than not shoot.

Many people have a different opinion from you.

I'm sure a lot of people thought $35 was crazy for 1000 primers while you were happily buying them up.

People vote with their feet. Enough people must still think the prices are worth it. As soon as they don't, the prices will drop.

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There is only ONE WAY to control prices.... cease the DEMAND.

DON'T BUY..........

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Here's an idea ... how about the guys sitting on 10's of thousands of primers show their commitment to starving the manufacturers by selling off their stock for what they have in it?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, UPS is headed this way with some of those overpriced primers.
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Old 07-22-2021, 01:47 PM
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Here's an idea ... how about the guys sitting on 10's of thousands of primers show their commitment to starving the manufacturers by selling off their stock for what they have in it?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, UPS is headed this way with some of those overpriced primers.
Yes it's funny. No one that has tons of primers is offering to sell them for $35 per thousand now.
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I saw primers at a gun show two weeks ago. They were asking $150-175 per 1,000.
They've come down a little. I've seen em going for $200 to $300 per thousand at shows, now $100 to $200 is more common. When I get lucky and get to SW at the right time they're selling them for $24 to $30 per thousand. Last weekend the Scheels in Reno had CCI LPP for $60 - picked up two bricks. They also had a lot of components and loaded ammo.
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nobody likes paying more than they have to, but what is getting to be really old around here (and other places) is people trying to peer pressure others in order to impact the supply/demand curve for their own benefit.


if you don't want to buy at the current price, don't: that's your prerogative, but if that's your choice, then you need to live with it (in other words, be content not getting out to the range). bullying and insulting others to change their buying behaviors in hopes of that bringing down prices for you is not how freedom and free markets work. if somebody wants to pay the current prices that is their prerogative, end of story.


how about instead of blaming other members of the community, take some personal responsibility? every problem is also an opportunity, but nobody is going to solve it for you.
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Exactly. Primers aren't coming down in price, neither is ammo. Neither is food, trucks, dentist bills, etc. It's called inflation, shortages, supply and demand. All helped by your friendly politicians in DC (both stripes). Have you gone to your favorite big box home building supply store and priced building stuff. Off the chart. My friend builds trailers. He has customers that want to know how much to build such and such trailer. He can't give them an answer because his metal suppliers won't give him a price. Buy the material and we'll give you the bill. Costs are sky rocketing. Lived through this in the '70's and early 80's. It's buy what you can afford today because tomorrow (or this evening) the price will be more.
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Exactly. Primers aren't coming down in price, neither is ammo. Neither is food, trucks, dentist bills, etc. It's called inflation, shortages, supply and demand. All helped by your friendly politicians in DC (both stripes). Have you gone to your favorite big box home building supply store and priced building stuff. Off the chart. My friend builds trailers. He has customers that want to know how much to build such and such trailer. He can't give them an answer because his metal suppliers won't give him a price. Buy the material and we'll give you the bill. Costs are sky rocketing. Lived through this in the '70's and early 80's. It's buy what you can afford today because tomorrow (or this evening) the price will be more.
Right! Conditions caused prices to rise. Everyone EXPECTS things to go back the way they were - but will they?
If I needed primers I would grab some at $75 just to be safe.
Think about it.

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I have fond memories of primers for $10 for a brick of 1000. The big primer scare and shortage back in the 80's got primers from $20 per 1000 up to $75 - $80 per 1000, and it lasted for about a year, then gradually came down to about $25 per 1000, and stayed there for a long time till it gradually crept up to $32 p/1000 about 2018. I'm a believer they will return back to the $40 + range and stabilize there for awhile.
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Sounds to me that the only people paying the inflated immoral prices are the ones that didn't think ahead and prepare. Anybody active in the sport for more than a few years could see what was coming. If it came as a surprise there must have been a whole lot of time spent on farcebook, and little time watching the noon news.

IMHO supply WILL catch up to demand, and when it does the price will drop below a nickle per.
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Sounds to me that the only people paying the inflated immoral prices are the ones that didn't think ahead and prepare. Anybody active in the sport for more than a few years could see what was coming. If it came as a surprise there must have been a whole lot of time spent on farcebook, and little time watching the noon news.

IMHO supply WILL catch up to demand, and when it does the price will drop below a nickle per.
Actually, IMHO there's not a nickel's worth of difference between the FAKE NEWS MEDIA and the FAKE SOCIAL MEDIA as far as any actual TRUTH is concerned?

Maybe not even a "red cent"...?

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P.S. Certainly like the use of that farcebook terminology: that's just about it in a nutshell! ( Many, many metaphors seem to be creeping into my vernacular these days: I wonder why?)
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I you don’t need it don’t buy it. Guys willing to pay set the price. I have primers that I bought in misc boxes at estate sale. In bag is register tape from May 72. Remington SP they go bang every time. I believe it has more to do with conditions of storage than age.
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Sounds to me that the only people paying the inflated immoral prices are the ones that didn't think ahead and prepare. Anybody active in the sport for more than a few years could see what was coming. If it came as a surprise there must have been a whole lot of time spent on farcebook, and little time watching the noon news.

IMHO supply WILL catch up to demand, and when it does the price will drop below a nickle per.
We can't all have a multi-year supply of everything we could possibly need. I am way past tired of the finger wagging and tsk-tsking by the primer czars.

2020 proved how fragile our we are economically. It'll take just one national event or boneheaded political stunt and the few over priced primers we can get today will be long, long gone.

Anyone who doesn't have a lifetime supply of primers now had better get one as soon as it hits a price point they can afford.
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Which may, in fact, turn out to be NOT what one CAN afford, but, rather, what one CAN NOT afford to do...?

Not trying to be overly negative, but...

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Actually, IMHO there's not a nickel's worth of difference between the FAKE NEWS MEDIA and the FAKE SOCIAL MEDIA as far as any actual TRUTH is concerned?

Maybe not even a "red cent"...?

Cheers!

P.S. Certainly like the use of that farcebook terminology: that's just about it in a nutshell! ( Many, many metaphors seem to be creeping into my vernacular these days: I wonder why?)
News or social, it really doesn't matter. When either, or both, uttered the words "pandemic", whether real or not, it should have been an eyeopener to those of us that weren't in our first rodeo.

To those that say they couldn't afford it, I sympathize. I'm retired and on a fixed income. I couldn't afford it in the Spring of 2020 either. I simply stopped buying beer and going out to dinner. I was happy to pay $30 back then and stock up, but I'm not willing to spend $75 now.
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Sounds to me that the only people paying the inflated immoral prices are the ones that didn't think ahead and prepare.
Maybe, but not everybody.

Obviously many people have just gotten into the field for various reasons.

I learned from the past to keep extra on hand but SRPs were something I only needed for the my 454 Casull, which got sold years ago.

Then the craziness started & my son's decided they needed an AR15. Trying to load for AR's without adequate primers isn't good.

So you can't just make general assumptions.

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Please pray tell what is a lifetime supply of primers? 1000, 10,000, 100,000? Can you tell me when I'll no longer be able to go to the range or drop dead? I still have a few thousand primers of all types but that is a very short supply (for me). Last year I had over 10K of each. I really don't think anyone is price gouging or jacking up the price. Have you price home wiring lately? I'm wiring a shed with 14-2 and about fainted when I saw the price. no shortage. Our government's fiscal policy - oh don't even go there.
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Federal SPP are available on brownells right now.
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Please pray tell what is a lifetime supply of primers? 1000, 10,000, 100,000? Can you tell me when I'll no longer be able to go to the range or drop dead? I still have a few thousand primers of all types but that is a very short supply (for me). Last year I had over 10K of each. I really don't think anyone is price gouging or jacking up the price. Have you price home wiring lately? I'm wiring a shed with 14-2 and about fainted when I saw the price. no shortage. Our government's fiscal policy - oh don't even go there.
500 to a thousand per year of your remaining life expectancy for yourself and your family (not for each family member necessarily). That's for essential needs, recreational is another question.

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I stopped by my favorite lgs today after work and guess what--they had 500,000 primers sitting on a shrink-wrapped pallet on their sales floor. The crew were off loading 5 or more pallets of ammo and goodness knows what else. 50,000 rounds of CCI 9mm ball were sitting next to the primers.

They'll be busy for another 2 weeks or so calling everyone on their want lists.

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Ive been steadily depleting my stockpile of SPP's. Over the last 8 months I've acquired 2k, down to about 700 now. Still sitting on 1500 or so SRP's.

As long as there's no "zombie unrest", I'll wait it out a little longer.


While i do enjoy going to the range and try to increase my proficiency, it's not the most important thing in my life.


All other obligations come first.
Yes I want to see the prices return to pre-pandemic levels and if they do I'll hoard 2-3 bricks of each. Same goes for powder. I'll buy enough to keep me stocked for my trips to the range.


I think I'll use some of my primer-pennys to take my wife on a date this weekend...priorities.
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My concern is that the now increasing number of “Delta” variant cases could put everything back in the same place as a year ago.
It seems that primers are loosening up and I hope it continues, but I hope that this is not a setback.
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I stopped by my favorite lgs today after work and guess what--they had 500,000 primers sitting on a shrink-wrapped pallet on their sales floor. The crew were off loading 5 or more pallets of ammo and goodness knows what else. 50,000 rounds of CCI 9mm ball were sitting next to the primers.

They'll be busy for another 2 weeks or so calling everyone on their want lists.
And where is this store located? Inquiring minds want to know.

That is a lot of primers for good times let alone today.
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How do you know what Midway's cost on the primers is?

Where did you get that info?

Could you share it with us?

Thanks.
Where there are places that sell primers from $28 - $33 bucks a thousand ie: Sportsman’s Warehouse - then that tells me they are not selling below cost and Midway certainly has the buying power of SW and likely pays close to the same wholesale cost. Yesterday, I bought Blackhorn 209 at Walmart of all places for $36 and Midway is charging $46.
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Shooters with ample supply aren't going to sell for two reasons..

1. It completely defeats the purpose of stocking up. You stock up to avoid running out. If you sell any significant amount you risk doing just that. If you're stocking up so you can resell in a shortage then you're a speculator, or a profiteer, or worse, and shooting has nothing to do with it.

2. Whatever they sell at "normal" prices has a better than 50/50 chance of showing up in resale somewhere. That just makes the whole thing worse.

I've sold a few at normal prices. To people I know and am comfortable that they aren't going to resell them.
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And where is this store located? Inquiring minds want to know.

That is a lot of primers for good times let alone today.
Honolulu, lol.

BTW my math was WAY off--the primers were all CCI, which as you know is packaged efficiently. They received a little more than 1 MILLION primers altogether. After they unpacked it, I counted at least 400,000 LPP on the floor.

2 case limit if your name was on the list. $56/1000 is the new normal.
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Shooters with ample supply aren't going to sell for two reasons..

1. It completely defeats the purpose of stocking up. You stock up to avoid running out. If you sell any significant amount you risk doing just that. If you're stocking up so you can resell in a shortage then you're a speculator, or a profiteer, or worse, and shooting has nothing to do with it.

2. Whatever they sell at "normal" prices has a better than 50/50 chance of showing up in resale somewhere. That just makes the whole thing worse.

I've sold a few at normal prices. To people I know and am comfortable that they aren't going to resell them.
The only time this gets off the rails is when the guy with a comfortable supply of primers insists that everyone else take up needlepoint until the price returns to a level they like.

I completely agree with both points and it's my basic attitude towards the things I did stock up on. I wonder how many primers I can get for a box of canning jar lids right now ?
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I'm not selling any of mine. The events that precipitated the current shortage are not necessarily over.

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Said I won't buy no more. Got CCI'ed the other day.

Couldn't pass up, had to keep up the Tradition; "Buy
them when you see them". Note the ones with
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2000 primers / $60 / 3 cents per primer.

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Why are people thinking that the new normal price will be $75/K when people, myself included are finding them for 40 to 50 bucks now and the price slowly keeps dropping?
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I distinctly remember buying primers for 11 bucks a thousand in the very early 80s, which is roughly equivalent to 35 bucks a thousand in today’s dollars.
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Why are people thinking that the new normal price will be $75/K when people, myself included are finding them for 40 to 50 bucks now and the price slowly keeps dropping?
Because they are chicken littles, they haven’t learned from EACH and EVERY four year election cycle that droughts and panics are guaranteed in this hobby/lifestyle. They deal with their frustration by leveling bat-guano crazy conspiracy theories and they cry about the folks who plan better than they do.
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Because they are chicken littles, they haven’t learned from EACH and EVERY four year election cycle that droughts and panics are guaranteed in this hobby/lifestyle. They deal with their frustration by leveling bat-guano crazy conspiracy theories and they cry about the folks who plan better than they do.
And nobody likes hearing that they paid too much.
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Thursday I had a benevolent coworker and former reloader leave a gift of 2000 LPP at my office. A little old, but should still go bang. I believe there’s plenty more of these in his “junk box.”
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Why are people thinking that the new normal price will be $75/K when people, myself included are finding them for 40 to 50 bucks now and the price slowly keeps dropping?
If I were finding them for 40 or 50 bucks, I certainly wouldn't pay 90.

But if we all move to your town for the primer deals, it's going to drive property values through the roof, take up all the good jobs and snarl traffic like Manhattan at rush hour.

So, what town are these cheap primers in??
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Thursday I had a benevolent coworker and former reloader leave a gift of 2000 LPP at my office. A little old, but should still go bang. I believe there’s plenty more of these in his “junk box.”
I don’t have a guess for the Peters but the CCI box is 1980’s production, maybe as late as the very early 1990’s. Those were exactly the primers and packaging that I started with in 1989.
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Why are people thinking that the new normal price will be $75/K when people, myself included are finding them for 40 to 50 bucks now and the price slowly keeps dropping?
Where????
Before the world went nuts I (~July 2020) was buying them at my local hardware store for $42 a thousand. I could buy them cheaper online but paying shipping, hazemat, and the hassle made my local dealer a better buy. Plus I didn't mind pay a few dollars extra to make sure he stayed in business. So you can find them now for $40~50 a thousand. Do you live in the US?
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Can't believe I read this entire thread. I did shoot a few today though. 44 mag & 22LR.
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Just acquired a box of 1000 CCI 450s at a local Sports Center for $35 plus tax. Not sure why they have them now since they stopped selling reloading supplies 3-4 years ago. They must now have a supplier. They have always had good prices on guns and ammo. Another retailer has assorted primers for $70 a thousand. Supply seems to be coming back only the prices vary a lot.
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Personally, I think that the $30/1000 I paid for my primers was highway robbery. $60-70/500 for cast bullets, equally crazy. I have 1000’s of primers still, but hundreds of bullets. My casting equipment got lost in a family squabble. Hundreds of pounds of lead and alloy metal. But, if I have to buy some bullets, so be it.
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My son and I loaded 9mm today. Everything is much slower when he is involved (9yrs old), but that is just fine.

I am still mourning the needless loss of 3 primers though. Somehow I picked up some crimped-primer Winchester brass at the range. I thought I caught them all, but every batch seems to have a couple hiding. The crimp sure doesn't feel any different when the primers are coming out, but they sure cause a problem when a primer is going in.
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We love to talk about the good old days when we paid 24 cents , sometimes as low as 17 cents a gallon for gasoline and McDonald had a Big Mac, fries and coke for less than a dollar. In 1960 my friend and I would stop at our local hardware store on the way to the range and pick up a box of Super X 22LR for 50 cents.

Just a few weeks ago I placed an order with Federal for 10 50 round boxes of standard velocity 22LR at $4.99 a box. Just out of curiosity I plugged 50 cents into the inflation calculator (1960) and up popped $4.64. So calculating for inflation were still paying about the same as we did in 1960.

I don’t like paying anymore for loading supplies than you do. I’m still loading from bricks of primers marked $24/1000 and powder I paid $19 a bottle for but these supplies aren’t going to last. I ran out of magnum small pistol primers recently and started running low on some powders so I broke down and paid $76 each for 2-1000 CCI magnum primers from Midway and ordered more powder from Hodgdons at retail. I’m cheap and hate paying retail but I swallowed my pride because shooting is more important to me than pinching pennies.

I bought the primers and powder to load 357’s. I figured I have 8 cents per primer, 3 cents for powder and 9 cents for cast bullets and my brass is essentially free. The total is 20 cents per round. What is that, 5 cents more than what I loaded them for 10 years ago? It’s $20/100. Just try to buy 357’s for $20/100. Figure about a penny or two less for 9mm. $8-9/50 is about what cheap 9mm was before the craziness.

My point, even at current elevated prices were still shooting cheap. Calculating for inflation even $4.99/50 for 22LR is what we were paying 60 years ago. Still a great bargain.
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When I can find em, I’ve been paying $24 per 1000 at Sportsman’s Warehouse, while everyone else is still charging well north of $50.
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There is only ONE WAY to control prices.... cease the DEMAND.

DON'T BUY..........

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Just wanted to say, there are TWO ways according to the law of supply AND demand. Increase supply + steady demand equals lower prices.

FYI, I got into guns and reloading just before all of the **** kicked off. Somewhat aware that political winds could ban certain scary guns, I bought a few at salad day prices, one for each family member. I don’t ever remember hearing about a law banning primers, so I focused on guns. Reloading stuff is worthless without something to shoot it with. When I had that box checked, I started buying components. Then things went to hell and there is this chicken/egg guns/ammo thing. I, for one, will buy at $75/1,000 to maintain proficiency. I won’t be mag dumping for giggles.

I’m glad the timing worked out for you based on your past experience and age. You didn’t mention if you were well stocked, so this only applies to hoarders. Hoarders, thanks to you and SUPPLY and demand, prices can immediately be brought down by flooding the market with just half of your 2 lifetimes worth supply. Let me know where to meet so I can grab a few 1,000 srp’s. I’ll even pay a premium $40/1,000 so you can clear a profit. Win/win.

And to be clear, I am not against hoarding. Lord knows I bought 2 packages of toilet paper at times when I only NEEDED one. I’m just jealous I didn’t get there in time to join you on getting a lifetime supply of primers myself.
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Personally, I think that the $30/1000 I paid for my primers was highway robbery. $60-70/500 for cast bullets, equally crazy. I have 1000’s of primers still, but hundreds of bullets. My casting equipment got lost in a family squabble. Hundreds of pounds of lead and alloy metal. But, if I have to buy some bullets, so be it.
Check around on cast bullets. I just paid $196 total for (978) .41 215gr SWC coated and (1,312) .38 158gr SWC coated bullets, delivered.

Looking around I see better prices than you posted. Bullets came back quicker this time. That's a good sign. I waited a bit (25 days) for the above order to ship but it was the .41's hanging it up.

This company packages by weight so they have odd quantities.

The .41's were $42 for 489 so $42.95 / 500
The .38's were $42 for 656 so $32.00 / 500

Kind of a weird way of doing it but I don't really care. I haven't shot any yet but they look fine. Honestly cast bullets are a commodity to me. I haven't found actual performance to vary. Some are prettier, some are packaged better, but other than that I can't tell a difference.

I've used Dardas (defunct), Acme, SNS Casting, some outfit in the Houston area I can't remember that didn't last long, Missouri Bullet, and the one above that I won't mention as I don't want to violate any rules by promoting any particular company.

They all shoot the same to me so I tend to buy on price, availability, and maybe location.
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