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Old 08-18-2021, 10:43 AM
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RCBS charge master compared to charge master lite. Any and all thoughts welcomed.
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I loved my Chargemaster (bought, what? 15 years ago?) until the cheap membrane key pad went funky. There's NO WAY I've gotten my money out of it, but the usually great RCBS customer service has been pretty useless on this one. I'm getting to the point where I'm going to take it out and shoot it, and post the video on their Facebook page.

They have just introduced a new one with an LCD touch screen. My advice (given my experience) is that you don't even think about buying one of the older variants (like the two you mentioned).
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I'm too old and spoiled with a powder dropper and trickler to use either fancy measure.
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No experience with the RCBS Charge Master. But for the last 12 years, I have been using the Lyman 1200 DPSII, which seems to do the same things as the RCBS. No idea if that, or later versions, are still available.
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Considering my experience with automotive electronics, there's no way in Hades I'd trust any electronic widget to weigh powder charges.
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Considering my experience with automotive electronics, there's no way in Hades I'd trust any electronic widget to weigh powder charges.
All our medications are weighed on electronic scales, paint mix scales are all electronic, electronic scales work and work well at this point. The question here is should one trust one for just a couple hundred bucks when a "good" scale tends to be a lot more money.
I suppose I'd trust it to make fair to very good ammo but would want a better scale if I were shooting at a high level at longer ranges.
I owned whatever they called the predecessor to the Chargemaster and found it slower and more annoying to use than a volume-type powder dispenser and manual trickle for most things where I was making more than just a few cartridges.
I'm sure they have improved but I don't know they have improved that much. On the other hand, while it was slower it was also less work since I could push the button and watch it do the work. Overall I found it not worth the bench space and was happy to see the back of it.
Helpful for load development and low-volume fairly-accurate charges. Not much use for bulk reloading.
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Think about a good quality non-electronic measure like a Redding. Very dependable. I've been using four for some time; the newest is more than thirty years old.

My experience with anything electronic (other than a light) on the loading bench was short lived. To get a measure, scale, or anything else electronic that compares with the reliability of a non-electronic counterpart probably will require an expenditure far greater than most handloaders would even consider.
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I use the charge master lite. Weighs dead on with every powder I use, unique, varget, h335, 2400,etc.

Only time the weight is ever off is if I jar the scale somehow, ie shake the table or move the table. These are sensitive scales so any movement throws it off.

Other than the above, no issue whatsoever. Itís easy to use, and Iím a caveman when it comes to electronics.
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I have never used either one. I have the Frankford Arsenal Intellidropper and it works great. The phone app is a plus also.
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I started with the Pact scale and dispenser. Worked OK. But the Chargemaster is a big time improvement over it. Like anything you need check it to make sure it’s working properly. I usually use a bullet to check the scale. I find one near the weight i am loading and use it periodically to check the electronic scale.
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The cost of getting powder out of the can and the proper amount into the case just keeps going up!

A good quality powder measure is a $150-$300 and you will need a scale to adjust it! The two I currently use are a Redding BR-30 and the Lyman 55 Black Powder variant. All Lyman 55's are currently discontinued, but there are still new old stock and a couple hundred thousand used ones. It is THE BEST "all round" powder drop out there, barr none!! The Redding BR-30 is more specialized for cases in the 223 volume (which is 26 grains +/- in most of the normal powders in that round. The BR-30 was engineered to be about perfect at 30 grains of the typical Bench Rest powders, it will go about 20 grains both ways, but the further away from 30 grains you get the larger your "+ and -" get. I is great from 223 to 308. For huge cases, I set it for a grain short on a double charge the weigh and trickle charge to the exact charge (this is for my 338 Lapua and 378 H&H mag.) That is still much faster than my 22 year old electronic dispenser by RCBS!

An inexpensive electronic scale is sold by Hornady in the $40-50 range. Go to the "Head Shop" and the same or better scale is about $25-35, I like these for field loading. Use one AA battery, remove when not in use. Store in a protective box that wont let it be pressed on! (same for all digital scales)

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I loved my Chargemaster (bought, what? 15 years ago?) until the cheap membrane key pad went funky. There's NO WAY I've gotten my money out of it, but the usually great RCBS customer service has been pretty useless on this one. I'm getting to the point where I'm going to take it out and shoot it, and post the video on their Facebook page.

They have just introduced a new one with an LCD touch screen. My advice (given my experience) is that you don't even think about buying one of the older variants (like the two you mentioned).
I never used an electronic powder dispenser but after a report like that, you might consider another. A friend uses a Hornady Auto Charge Pro and he has never complained about it. Again, no first hand experience so do more research.
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Still using my old Lyman/AMT. works fine.
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As I earlier mentioned, the Lyman 1200 DPSII has worked fine for me for the last 12 years, but I do not know if it is still made and available. The weight thrown has always been dead-on, and I've never had any doubts about its accuracy. Even so, I will typically check-weigh the charges it throws on my beam balance (Redding) every 10-15 rounds just to be sure. I do not use it for handgun loads (too slow), and usually use my Lyman 55 powder measure (I have two of them). But for CF rifle use, especially if I am loading 50 or more rounds, I always plug in the Lyman 1200. The only problem I ever had was early on, when the AC power supply quit working. I contacted Lyman and they sent me a replacement right away.

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I've had my ChargeMaster 1500 for almost (7) years now & it's the only dispenser I've used since I bought it.

Before CV-19 I consistently loaded 200-300 handgun rounds a week with it.

Frequently I'm doing load development trying different powder charge combinations with a new bullet.

I love being able to key in a new charge weight on the fly & it's been a big time saver in that regard.

Change to a different powder & just key in the new weight. Easy done.

By the time I dump the dispensed powder in a case, set the pan back on the dispenser, seat the bullet & visually check it, the next powder charge is usually ready to be dumped.

I've not had any issues with the keypad.

On occasion I've had it lock-up & had to power cycle it to continue. No biggie.

I randomly double check the CM1500's dispensed power charge against my Lyman M5 & if it drifts any I reset/re-calibrate it but generally it stays steady.

I always thought the cord on the power supply looked flimsy but I don't man-handle it & it's not been a problem.

People have reported that RCBS gives no support on scales that fail outside of warranty which is a shame because RCBS has always been more than fair whenever I've had issues with other items of theirs.

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After a thorough out-of-the-box inspection by my assistant it's been good to go.



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Being an old fudd that is retired and have no time demands or at least none that are pressing I will stick with my old RCBS balance beam scale and uniflow measure. I completely enjoy reloading so why do i need to hurry up and finish the process. I sold my progressive press for that reason. I continue on with my single stage RCBS press as well.
However if I was younger with time constraints I would be all over the high speed electronic stuff. Since most of it is actually Chinese manufactured I would say any of it is just a product with a self destruct time built in. You pays your money and you takes your chances.IMO
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I’m content with the Uniflow and ‘little dandy’ with the adjustable rotor. Once I set them up the drop is consistent, check every once in a while.
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I have and use a Hornady Auto Charge Pro and it works very well and accurate as I check and verify against 2 other scales. Also, my original one started acting up and would not calibrate with the 50g weight giving me an ERR code. Called Hornady, they sent me a shipping label on their dime, and then sent me a brand new model on their dime as well. Superb customer service. And my old unit was 4 years old!
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I have and use a Hornady Auto Charge Pro and it works very well and accurate as I check and verify against 2 other scales. Also, my original one started acting up and would not calibrate with the 50g weight giving me an ERR code. Called Hornady, they sent me a shipping label on their dime, and then sent me a brand new model on their dime as well. Superb customer service. And my old unit was 4 years old!
It should tell folks something about reliability when they have to use another scale (usually a dependable balance beam scale) to verify calibration and accuracy on the device they use for measuring powder charges.
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From my experience in 18 years working R&D in an analytical lab for industry... good, reliable electronic scales cost thousands, upwards to 10K.They need calibrated often across the range of weight. A scale that weighs a measured charge for less than $1000? Not for me! You get what you pay for.
Been using the Redding balance beam scale my Dad started out with in the 1960s. I'm comfortable using it and confident of the charges thrown by any of my volumetric powder measures. 'Course I'm not loading for a small army, just me.

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Still using my old Lyman/AMT. works fine.
I've always thought this one made the best sense..maybe I'm just stuck in the analog age...

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It should tell folks something about reliability when they have to use another scale (usually a dependable balance beam scale) to verify calibration and accuracy on the device they use for measuring powder charges.
I use my Redding beam scale to occasionally and randomly check charge weights thrown by both my Lyman 55 powder measure and my Lyman 1200 electronic during case charging, and always have. But I don't have any doubts that both are accurate and repeatable. It takes very little time to do, so as an additional safeguard, why not?
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It takes very little time to do, so as an additional safeguard, why not?
Agreed.

I call it my sanity check to make sure I don't do something unforeseen as much as an accuracy check, especially when I'm doing work-up loads.

Doesn't take much to check every 5th or 10th round this way. I've got the time.

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My brother and father-in-law both own and use a Chargemaster to reload. Their only suggestion is to isolate the Chargemaster on a separate bench. This prevents the vibrations from your press strokes causing the Chargemaster hiccups.


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Stability is something you want with an electronic scale. When I use my Lyman 1200, it's not on my reloading bench but on the kitchen countertop (granite). The light is also better in the kitchen. My wife doesn't like it, but she tolerates it as long as I put everything away and I clean up all the spilled powder when I am done.
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Think about a good quality non-electronic measure like a Redding. Very dependable. I've been using four for some time; the newest is more than thirty years old.

My experience with anything electronic (other than a light) on the loading bench was short lived. To get a measure, scale, or anything else electronic that compares with the reliability of a non-electronic counterpart probably will require an expenditure far greater than most handloaders would even consider.
As a highpower service rifle shooter, I needed an accurate scale for my loads. I used an RCBS/pact electronic scale for 20 years then I took advantage of an RCBS $50 rebate last year and replaced it with an rcbs rangemaster 2000 for $100 net cost. As long as I use check weights to verify my settings as I did with my mechanical rcbs scale, I can rapidly and accurately measure out my loads. The RCBS matchmasters seem too slow and expensive for me. The mechanical scales are just way too SLOW.
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I imagine that most probably do this. The way I use my Lyman 1200 is to use a powder dipper that holds a little less than the desired charge weight, and put a scoop full of powder into the powder cup first. Then let the dispenser mechanism bring the charge up to the exact desired weight and stop. Much faster than letting the Lyman do all the work, and less wear and tear on the feeding mechanism. Having a set of Lee plastic powder dippers of various volumes is the way to go. That takes maybe 15-20 seconds per charge if you get the proper rhythm going. I can usually charge at least 10 or so cases during each TV commercial.

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I used a Lyman powder measure and a Ohaus 10-10 scale for over 40 years. I bought a RCBS chargemaster 5 years ago. I load rifle ammo every week, the chargemaster for me, was a good investment. It is a time saver for me on the bench, and it is accurate. When I first got it, I would spot check powder charges Periodically on my beam scale, havenít done that for several years now, as it was a waste of time.
I shoot long distance every week with various calibers and the chargemaster helps me build good, accurate ammo to send downrange.

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Off topic but relevant. If your balance beam scale ever goes "nuts". Remove the silver base pan that snaps in the hoop.(the one your powder pan sits on). Remove the screw in the bottom and add or subtract shot( I use bird shot) to make it balance perfectly again. I had to do this on my old RCBS 10-10 scale. Works perfectly again.
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One time back when I had access to a very precise lab balance, I made up a series of check weights in 10, 25, 50, and 100 grains (two of each weight) by cutting and filing nails to length. I still occasionally use them over 50 years later. At the time I was weighing powder using an antique two-pan apothecary scale which had a slider graduated in grains (actually 0 to 15 grains in tenths), so I needed to use those weights for anything weighing over 15 grains. It had a little screw and nut device for zeroing the scale. I still have that scale but don't use it.
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