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I'm going to try to answer the OP's question as asked.

Using your own brass.

Powder & Primer prices pulled from Powder Valley
Powder today 1lb W231 $31.50
CCI Small Pistol Primers $85/1,000

Bullets from Missouri Bullets
230gr LRN Cast Bullets, $50/500

Using 5.0gr of W231 your costs will be:
Single round $0.203
50 rounds $10.13
1000/rounds $202.50

The same load but using a Hornady XTP bullet @$30/100 would be:
Single round $0.335
50 rounds $16.75
1000/rounds $334.95

I hope this answered your original question as asked.

Just a side note, I have components from a better time and can load 50 cast bullet rounds for only $5.35, but still, $10.13 for 50 230gr Cast bullet rounds or $16.75 for 50 230 Hornady XTP rounds are still a heck of a lot better than any commercial ammo.

A box of 20 XTP ammo will run you around $27, that's $67.50 for the same 50 rounds you can load for only $16.75 at current component prices.

Good luck finding what you need. I only wish the new reloaders starting today were loading back 10 years ago so they could have components at a fairer price.
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Thank you....to the two or three people who actually answered my question . I have a ballpark figure of about .25 cents per round.
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I'm going to try to answer the OP's question as asked.

Using your own brass.

Powder & Primer prices pulled from Powder Valley
Powder today 1lb W231 $31.50
CCI Small Pistol Primers $85/1,000

Bullets from Missouri Bullets
230gr LRN Cast Bullets, $50/500

Using 5.0gr of W231 your costs will be:
Single round $0.203
50 rounds $10.13
1000/rounds $202.50

The same load but using a Hornady XTP bullet @$30/100 would be:
Single round $0.335
50 rounds $16.75
1000/rounds $334.95

I hope this answered your original question as asked.

Just a side note, I have components from a better time and can load 50 cast bullet rounds for only $5.35, but still, $10.13 for 50 230gr Cast bullet rounds or $16.75 for 50 230 Hornady XTP rounds are still a heck of a lot better than any commercial ammo.

A box of 20 XTP ammo will run you around $27, that's $67.50 for the same 50 rounds you can load for only $16.75 at current component prices.

Good luck finding what you need. I only wish the new reloaders starting today were loading back 10 years ago so they could have components at a fairer price.
There's something wonky with your math. Using your costs the XTP round should be 0.20 more because of the 0.20 difference in bullet cost. So to load XTP I come up with 0.40/rd. using your costs, or roughly half of commercial ammo.

But we get the picture.
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Old 08-02-2022, 10:34 AM
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I think you have to figure in your price of reloading equipment also. it takes quite a bit of loading to make the purchase worthwhile. You can get by on a single stage press but it takes a lot more time. I would check into a Dillon Square deal so you can step up production. Of course there is other stuff like scales, tumbler, and other accessories you will find you need or at least want. The good news is reloading equipment basically last forever I have an RCBS Rock Chucker from the late 70's that is still going strong and a Dillon 1050 that has loaded about a jillion rounds that still sees use. 100 rounds in 6 minutes on the 1050 once you get everything loaded and adjusted correctly.

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Today a friend that has a antique/ junk/ collectables shop showed me this “ haul” he made on ammo. Several 100 rounds of 357 Mag, 90% were reloads, not for me unless get them for the brass and maybe 100 jacketed bullets. He did make out on the pre 63 22’s in boxes and even the round plastic Federal boxes which I haven't seen in many, many years. Guess I’ll take the good stuff to the next show and put it out on the table.
I got some of this out of estate sales. Back it up by casting my own also.
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I think you have to figure in your price of reloading equipment also.
I don't think a person can really count the cost of tools and equipment. We don't add in the cost of wrenches and screwdrivers when we change the oil in our cars or saws and hammers when we do home repairs.

Especially with the fairly high end Dillon stuff you have. It doesn't require high end hammers to drive a nail.
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I don't think a person can really count the cost of tools and equipment. We don't add in the cost of wrenches and screwdrivers when we change the oil in our cars or saws and hammers when we do home repairs.

Especially with the fairly high end Dillon stuff you have. It doesn't require high end hammers to drive a nail.
I think you can add a bit to the mix. Even 10 cents a box would add up over time even for the high end "hammers and saws". I once figured I paid for a 1500 dollar shotshell press in a bit under 1 1/2 years at 25 cents a box...Still have the press and it is now worth 2 grand used..
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My actual cost is quite low. Shooting 700x powder that was given to me, primers I bought when dinosaurs roamed the earth, pick up brass, and home cast bullets from scrap lead, most was free or nearly so. Now if I had to buy powder and primers at current market price, whole 'nother story.
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Like many others I'm still reloading from stock I bought when prices were a lot different than what they are now, but I keep an eye on current prices because my stock won't last forever.

Using my own brass if I had to buy at today's prices this is what I see:

Powder hasn't gone up much at all so enough for one round of .45 acp shouldn't be more than 3 cents.

I personally like 230 gr FMJ bullets and those are around 17 cents each.

Primers are advertised on some of the online giants at 10 cents or so, but they are never in stock and none of my local stores have any either. The only ones I know I could buy today are 17 cents each after hazmat fees.

So that comes out to 37 cents a round.

I'm sure glad I have a stockpile. If prices stay this high and I run low I'll probably just shoot my black powder guns more.
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There's something wonky with your math. Using your costs the XTP round should be 0.20 more because of the 0.20 difference in bullet cost. So to load XTP I come up with 0.40/rd. using your costs, or roughly half of commercial ammo.

But we get the picture.
You are correct. I used an online reloading cost calculator and must have did something wrong plus I didn't double check the numbers.

With the XTP
Single round $0.407
50 rounds @ $20.38
1000 rounds @ $407.50

The cast bullet numbers seem to be correct as written lol.
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Old 08-04-2022, 10:15 AM
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I don't think a person can really count the cost of tools and equipment. We don't add in the cost of wrenches and screwdrivers when we change the oil in our cars or saws and hammers when we do home repairs.

Especially with the fairly high end Dillon stuff you have. It doesn't require high end hammers to drive a nail.
My point is only to make sure you make it worth your while to reload. How many rounds do you see yourself loading in a year? Will you reload enough to make the equipment investment worth it? Cost savings may not be the reason you want to reload. I got out of the rifle loading business several years ago but bought the equipment I sold to a friend back when 30-06 ammo became hard to find.
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My point is only to make sure you make it worth your while to reload. How many rounds do you see yourself loading in a year? Will you reload enough to make the equipment investment worth it? Cost savings may not be the reason you want to reload. I got out of the rifle loading business several years ago but bought the equipment I sold to a friend back when 30-06 ammo became hard to find.
That's an end-of-the-world scenario.
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You might save money reloading. Or not. People who get into reloading solely to save money are usually disappointed and end up selling off or warehousing their equipment after a short while. Reloading is a hobby unto itself and I think that is the saneist way to approach it. If you shop and scrimp and look around for deals on components, you can make ammo very economically. You can get into casting, another hobby in and of itself, and reduce the cost a little more. I reload these days to control the ammo I shoot more than the cost of the ammo I shoot. That includes having access to ammo when it's not readily available. All of my hunting ammo is reloaded. All of my competition ammo is reloaded. I have guns that I shoot regularly that have never seen a factory produced round since they left the factory. If you went back to 1973 when I got my first set of reloading equipment and tallied up all of the rounds I have loaded vs. the expense of buying factory, I'm not so sure I would be on the plus side of the ledger. I can tell you that I have spent many a miserable winter day happily toiling at the reloading bench or researching what my next move was going to be to try and reduce the size of that group a couple of thousandths of an inch or wondering if that bullet I was seating was going to be the one that killed a record deer.
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If you have been reloading for 40+ years, center-fire ammo cost for reloads is less than 22 LR for 50 rounds. If you cast and reload, but use current powder and primer costs, 50 rounds of 45 ACP with cast bullets is between $4.50 to $5.75 per 50 rounds.

If you start reloading today, that first reloaded bullet is $400 to $600 depending on what press you buy. To get to your first cast bullet, the price is $150 to $700 depending on bullet mold and melting pot.

Just to be fair, us old guys are not saving a dime in ammo costs. We shoot 400 rounds in 3 calibers and don't bat an eye. We'll even pick up other shooter's brass if they don't want it. Most of us have a sufficient current stash of supplies that we can shoot ten more years and not buy anything new.

I'm sitting here with 4 presses (from junk to progressive), 4 powder measures, 3 scales, ~25 bullet molds, and at least two 5 gallon buckets of "vital" accessories. My wife's daughter will probably be ultimately responsible for disposing of this stuff because I won't sell all of it, my wife won't make the "SELL" decision, and it ends up in the daughter's lap -- a pile of stuff that cost $150,000 that she will keep 20% and sell the rest for $1,000 to have it gone.

Another shooter / reloader's estate giveaway! Come on down!
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My point is only to make sure you make it worth your while to reload. How many rounds do you see yourself loading in a year? Will you reload enough to make the equipment investment worth it? Cost savings may not be the reason you want to reload. I got out of the rifle loading business several years ago but bought the equipment I sold to a friend back when 30-06 ammo became hard to find.
No, I get what you're saying. A person could dip their toe into reloading for a couple hundred dollars to test the waters. At that point, I suppose it's fair to amortize the equipment costs over X number of rounds.

Upgrading from a Yugo to a Cadillac is about luxury, not cost any more. It seems to me that a Dillon is about time savings at a monetary cost. For a competitive shooter, I can see the need for speed due to the volume of ammo needed. In drag racing, they say "Speed costs money. How fast do you want to go?" Same concept, I think.
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When I started reloading I was only reloading 38/357 ammo and 45 Auto ammo. I think .38 Special ammo was $4.99/50, .357 Magnum was $5.99/50 and I'm not sure but I think the 45 Auto ammo was also $5.99/50 when you bought a case of Remington ammo on sale at Dick's Sporting Good. Of course single boxes of 50 or 100 were a little higher.

I bought a Lee 4 Hole Classic Turret press and a few other items I needed to load the handgun ammo. I clearly remember I paid for all the equipment in 2 1/2 months. I originally thought I was going to save money but found out I was spending the same amount of money but shooting a lot more ammo for the price. I was happy and never looked back. Of course over the years I added much more equipment to make loading faster and easier but I'm still loving what I do. (never bought a full progressive press like the Dillon 550) I now load 7 or 8 handgun cartridges and 8 or 9 rifle cartridges. I still enjoy loading except for the .223/5.56mm because I have to load so darn many of them lol.

If you really think you will be shooting for the rest of your life either for fun, just to play at the range or even participate in matches, reloading is a good idea even in today's environment. The component prices will never be what they were but they will come down some and availability will increase in the future.
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I have a little different spin on this, yes I’m a long time reloader and with my cast powder coated 45 bullets, 5.5 gn of titegroup.
So it about .10-.12 cents a round max.
That being said every time I go to the range and shoot, I’m shooting the exact same ammo Every time I shoot, and this makes me a better shooter and I can shoot more because I alway have ammo on hand to shoot.
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I started reloading in 1972. In 1992........20 years later I started keeping a reloading log. For kicks and giggles I got it out and totaled up what In loaded since 92 to today.......130,523 rds or 4210 rds a year average. Or 351 rds per month average. Which doesn't take into account the gazillion .22's fire in that time frame.
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What? No 30/30, 270 Winchester or 7x57 Mauser...?

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I forgot!!!!! I have 2 30/30's a Marlin and a Winchester. Also for got 30 carbine...........Gettin old and forgetful.
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3.4 cent primer......from my stash
free 230 gr MY cast bullet
0.015 for 5.5 grs 231 at $20/lb.......From my stash.
free.......45acp brass have lifetime supply
=3.415 cent per cartridge or $1.7075 per box
Think you messed up a decimal point. Your powder cost is not 0.015 cents it's 1.5 cents. So your total cost per round is 4.9 cents.
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This should be your first purchase. I started reloading out of curiosity, not to "save" money. 40+ years later I still reload for fun and have no idea how my handload's cost compare to factory...

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Starline would be 20.35 cents a casing, you are off by a factor of 100 (aka 2 digits)
No, I stated my 45 acp brass is good for around reloading 10 times, so 2.035 cents a round. Actually over the years I've picked up thousands of 45 acp, 9 mm and 223 brass from my local range. Sold a lot of it (cheap) a couple of years ago when I was cleaning house. Unfortunately can't find what i shoot the most of, 32-20, 38-40, etc. Also for your hoarders that stocked up over 20,000 rounds of primers what are you going to do when they run out?
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3.4 cent primer......from my stash
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0.015 for 5.5 grs 231 at $20/lb.......From my stash.
free.......45acp brass have lifetime supply
=3.415 cent per cartridge or $1.7075 per box

Cheaper to shoot than .22 long rifle.
You have to look at replacement cost, not what you paid for the items originally.
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Your replacement costs will go up and down over the years. My friends and I call it "Cost Averaging". Cost averaging first started out for us in bulk silver and gold as the market fluctuated so much.
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Your replacement costs will go up and down over the years. My friends and I call it "Cost Averaging". Cost averaging first started out for us in bulk silver and gold as the market fluctuated so much.
I think original cost only comes into play if you're reselling the components. If someone asked "What's the cost of an M1 Garand compared to other rifles" me saying they were $125 delivered when I bought mine would be irrelevant. Unless I was willing to sell mine for for what they were going for in the 90's or had a time machine. Neither case is true, BTW.
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I think original cost only comes into play if you're reselling the components. If someone asked "What's the cost of an M1 Garand compared to other rifles" me saying they were $125 delivered when I bought mine would be irrelevant. Unless I was willing to sell mine for for what they were going for in the 90's or had a time machine. Neither case is true, BTW.
The cost is to you, out of your pocket. What you do with the commodity is up to you. If you are using the consumables you have paid for it. So you are kind of selling it to yourself.
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