That's it! Next Halloween (if I can lose some weight?) i can go as... John Daly?

Cheers!

30 super carry is exactly one of those offerings. In fact Ill call it in the butter zone. Now, get it well established in a few nimble little carbines of various action type, and watch the show.

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6.5 Creedmore and 6.5 Grendel work well in their intended platforms, AR10 and AR15. that's where a lot of focus has been lately. the AR15 in particular has become the winchester model 94 of our current era. These are more about making these rifles more useful than anything

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Agree 1000%. These odd cartridges are a waste of time and money.

The real motivator for all of them is $$$.

Back in the day (60's) my family didn't have enough money to buy new rifles but we hunted anyway. I used a model 95 Winchester that my dad purchased from a neighbor in the 50's. I shot my first mule deer with that rifle. The cartridge worked just fine for everything out to 200 yds. I wish the rifle had been lighter but that has nothing to do with cartridge performance. It was a good cartridge that's still barely alive.

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Actual in-the-field performance differences between the .30-40 Krag, .300 Savage, and .308 (all with comparable bullets) are minimal.

I do not believe new calibers are for the ammunition companies as much as they are for manufacturers.

The ammunition companies can barely keep up with producing the calibers they already make much less bringing in a new caliber. Financially, they do not need a new caliber.

At some point a gun manufacturer will hit diminishing returns with their current products and desperately need - must have - something new to sell to make money and keep in business. Example: At at some point everyone will have all the 38 Special guns they want and will not buy more 38 Special guns.

Another way manufacturers try to increase their revenue is taking the same caliber guns they already make and change the finish, offer different barrels, offer unfluted cylinders, add sights /remove sights, different grip style, etc, etc, etc..

Smith appears to have successfully done this. Look at the many variations of 9mm caliber guns (both revolver & auto), 38 sped/357 mag caliber variations & 44 spec/mag variations they offer.

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Please! Don't get me wrong about the following comments on a new pistol caliber.

All I am saying is when I look at the following caliber I ask why. In no way am I slamming the caliber, just curious.

Example of a new pistol caliber:
Smith "30 Super Carry", what does this caliber offer which is not already available. Yes I know about the argument that you can put more rounds in a magazine than a 9mm. Doesn't one really need more than round count to justify buying a caliber gun?

Will the 30 Super Carry be a big seller and last more than 5 years, who knows. Or will it become another caliber like the 45 GAP, 357 Sig and others which have faded away.

The 30 Super Carry MUST to be bought by all the Smith Collectors who collect the of style gun which it is chambered in - just to have the caliber.

The Smith Collectors will probably a fare number of buyers, but then; what after the collectors fill their collection needs?

The 30 Super Carry does not meet caliber requirements for IDPA. If it did it would skyrocket in sales.

As to 30 caliber pistols:
The '7.65mm French Long' is "Identical" to the 30 Super Carry, did the ammo and gun manufacturers know this? Maybe they did know. Either way they would say they did know.

30 Super Carry is GREAT for "7.65mm French Long" gun owners, they now have easy to obtain ammo.

Just a comment: The 30 Luger out performs the 30 Super Carry.
30 Luger typically has a 90gr bullet where as the 30 Super Carry has a 100gr bullet.

Now my parting comment on the 30 Super Carry:
40 years ago I Definitely would have bought it to play with just like I did with all the other calibers I could lay my hands on back then, which were a lot of calibers when including the wildcats. Damn, I had fun!

But now a little older I think more about what works for me and my shooting habit. I am a shooter not a collector or experimenter anymore.

If I were a collector of the guns which will come chambered in the 30 Super Carry I would definitely buy them.

So, I guess the real answer to 30 Super Carry is if you are young and older and have the $$ to play and experiment this caliber is for you.

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An additional comment on having a lot of calibers.

Recently I visited a friend, much younger than myself, and was a little shocked by his reloading room which I had not seen for quite a while.

I took a mental note of what I saw:
23 different powders.
All sizes of primer for pistol, rifle & shotgun.
I could not count all the calibers & bullet weights he had.
Same goes for brass; cans and boxes to galor.
2 of the large gun safes.

Well good for him he loves all he has and really only shoots a few.

He who has the most toys and most fun WINs!!

I wonder: If I had the income and/or the disposable funds would I be like him? Who know's, maybe I would.

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And now we have the S&W model 350!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Will it sell guns or is it too close to the long gone 357 Maximum?
jcelect

A guy or gal with a 22, a 12 gauge, a 30'06, and either 357 or 45 ACP handgun remains well-equipped for North American game.

That's all well and good ... But what about the Easter egg hunt?

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I agree ! it's bad enough as is.

I have to wonder, how many of the new calibers are in fact a match for so many of the old calibers? The older cartridges may not be American but could well be of a foreign nature, ie. has anyone here really tested the 8X52 Siam round. Can't get cases for it, try using 7.62X54 Russan and fireform after cutting back two millimeter. It works fine in my 8X52 Siamese rifle. I load it up a grain or two over 45 gr of IMR 4064 and a 180gr bullet. The bullet leaves the muzzle stout enough to match any .30-30 I've ever fired. Mine was by the Arisaka factory in Japan and they made one of the strongest bolt actions of WWII. Normally I load it down with only 42 grains of 4064 so my wife can shoot it and not have the rifle beat her up with recoil.

That is but one example, and there are many more that with enough looking one will find a European cartridge which will match or come darn close to any of the "modern" makes.

What really makes the 30-06 so popular today and yesterday is not the cartridge but the versatility of the cartridge. Everything from 110gr bullets up to 220gr and even heavier. Maybe that is why I own so many, (at last count 5) or it could be I enjoy having so many different actions, everything from a 98 Mauser to Mod 70 Winchester to US Caliber 30 M1.

Like Llance said, those European guy probably did it first. When I came to 6.5mm and 6 mm, Mauser and Mannlicher have it pretty well covered!

As far as 8x52R Siam, there is also 8x52R Label (France) It is much easier to form up the Siamese round than the French one (much fatter case)! The 7,62x54R Russian also gives us 8x50R Austrian, and a short case for 8x56R Hungarian. The German and Austrian small shop gunsmiths made dozens of unique/Wildcat rounds based on the Mauser "A" case, mostly in the Black Powder era. Look at how many of our cases are based on 44, 45, and 50 Caliber Sharps cases. Remington would make a "New" national cartridge for anyone with cash! And of course make guns in said national cartridge.

Ivan

Ivan

I'm one of those that tends to not get all excited when a new cartridge is announced. However the 6.5 Grendel intrigued me when I first heard about it. Supposedly all I need is an upper and it will work with my 5.56 AR. But then I looked at my ammo stash and decided I didn't want to stock up on yet another cartridge. My rifles just punch holes in paper, 5.56/.223 is up to that task.

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I agree about the 6.5 Grendel, but my best friend is super snobby about new cartridges. He took to the 6.5x39 Grendel like a duck to water. He was an Army armorer and really likes how a 6.5 G upper competes with a good 223/5.56 upper!

Since I have an AR in 308, 300 ACC Blackout only interests me in Sub-sonic loading, (but I already have a quiet can) I think a 7.62x39 upper would be far more affordable to shoot as a 30-30 replacement, than supersonic 300 BO!

Ivan

Barrel, bolt, and mags are different than any run-of-the-mill AR-15.