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TV doesn't know much
Joe Kenda Homicide Hunter:
Someone shoots up an apartment building and a woman in a car is killed.
Kenya arrives and mentions all the bullet holes and "shell casings" laying all over the parking lot.
Since some of the bullets went through several walls, it must have been a high power rifle--either full-auto or semi.
Then, we find out that the shooter was across the street (about 100 yards away) and they could find no "shell casings"--so the shooter must have been in a car.
Since it was a high powered rifle, it must be an AK-47, and, since they are known to be inaccurate, that would explain why the whole side of the apartment building was shot up--from 100 yards away, across the street.
Q: was the parking lot littered with "shell casings" as was stated or were all the "shell casings" in the shooter's car?
Can they even TRY to keep the story consistent?
In another show, the victim was killed by four different .22 LR guns (I assume because there were four different types of .22 cases found and NOBODY would EVER mix ammunition in a gun.
They then show a picture of the four types of bullets found:
1) FMJ-RN that looked like a 9mm MAK (single radius squatty bullet)
2) powder-coated bullet
3) cast lead bullet
4) JHP
All from .22 LR.
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Just figured that out, did you?
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...and this is news?
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No, the point I guess is that I have watched these shows for years, and over the last three years they have just gotten worse and worse to the point that I am having problems from laughing so much.
I mean, they are getting the point where they are going to lose viewers from death by laughing.
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I think most of us here could make pretty long lists concerning the inaccuracy of TV and firearms!
One of my favorites was in a movie my wife was watching, I think it was on Lifetime. Someone dropped a S&W revolver (it looked like a Model 10) down a flight of stairs. It fired every time it hit a step!
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TV is dangerous, in so many ways.
They should come with warning stickers.
Warning: Watching this TV may cause harm to your physical, financial and mental health.
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Most recently I followed a written story,( currently a very big deal in Chi-Town). Seems the policeman shot someone SIXTEEN times with his service REVOLVER......Oh yeah, "and he was going to reload, but was stopped by his partner" !
Must have been one of those special revolvers they issue only for lawing.
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My favorite recently is when someone draws a Glock you hear the non-existent hammer being cocked. It sounds suspiciously like a S&W revolver.
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My wife laughs at me because I catch all the gun fopah in a show of movie. For us it's annoying but the avg joe/Jane watching has no idea.
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I reviewed a popular novel for the local Wed book review club at the library, and wound up writing TWO different reviews.
The first was for the people who liked exciting stories, but knew nothing about guns, physics, chemistry, or biology. The book was slick, with every chapter ending a cliffhanger, exciting action scenes, etc.
The second was for the people who knew guns, physics, chemistry, and biology, and liked technical realism. It was longer, and listed every example of the technical absurdities in the novel that any qualified person would catch, concluding with the overall assessment that, "This is another hack book written by a formula author who obviously has no technical knowledge, and not enough ambition to do good research from those that know. He should find a subject for which he has actual knowledge beyond watching the Sunday Night Movie on television."
The person who ran the program said she now understood why so many men only attended her programs once, and much to her credit, made it a point to find good authors who lived in the area and wrote quality books about Oklahoma people and history, including quality researched novels.
Sometimes you find someone who cares about their program, but television? Not so much.
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My favorite recently is when someone draws a Glock you hear the non-existent hammer being cocked. It sounds suspiciously like a S&W revolver.
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That, or you hear a "slide racking" sound, any time a pistol is removed from, then brought back into view of the camera. In some scenes, the pistol is shown so many times, that the magazine would be empty by the time they found who they were looking for.
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Josh Randall ( Steve McQueen) Wanted Dead or Alive old TV western ...always wondered why he had those 45-70 rounds in his belt. The "Mare's Leg" was a cut down 92 Winchester...no way those 45-70's would fit into a chamber designed for short 32-20 , 38-40 , or 44-40 , length cartridges.
This was about 1959 , I was 10 years old , had experience with Dad's , Uncle's and older cousin's Winchester rifles ( the 32-20 model 92 my favorite) that's when I realized TV was far from accurate...to this day I enjoy watching for the guns and ammo faux pas that are made.
The newer the TV show, it seems the more ridiculous the mistakes, inaccuracies and assumptions are...looking for error's isn't fun any more. Now I look for accuracy and correctness in a show. One that impressed me was Open Range, the arms , holster's , gun belts and use of them was surprisingly correct or at least there were no make you "laugh out loud" scenes .
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I love it when the crime scene people can tell the cartridge from the wound. "Looks he was shot with a nine!" Which usually turns out to be a Glock. I think they only come in "nine" and "foutay."
I was impressed with an episode from the first season of Blue Bloods starring Tom Selleck as Police Commissioner Frank Regean. A bad guy is attacking Selleck's daughter, the Assistant District Attorney. Frank arrives on the scene, draws his revolver (looks like a Fitzed Colt DS). He says "Get your hands off my daughter!" The guy, holding a knife to Erin's throat, turns toward Frank who promptly shoots him in the head. No discussion, no standoff, just the right damn thing to do. The guns on the show are interesting. I'd swear they took an H&K P7 off a bad guy. Lots of Glocks. Frank's son Danny is an NYPD detective. Some scenes it looks like he's using a Smith semi-auto and others it looks like maybe a Kahr .45? I don't watch much TV, but this is a pretty good series on NetFlix.
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Why would you expect anything any different? Hollywood is so far left that all they know is "guns are bad and nobody should have them".
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My favorite recently is when someone draws a Glock you hear the non-existent hammer being cocked. It sounds suspiciously like a S&W revolver.
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Or the sound of a slide racking when someone draws a revolver.
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Watch JOE Kenda put his 1911 in his shoulder holster at the beginning of the show, it's cocked with the thumb safety off! I would stand behind him much!
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I was impressed with an episode from the first season of Blue Bloods starring Tom Selleck
Danny is an NYPD detective. Some scenes it looks like he's using a Smith semi-auto and others it looks like maybe a Kahr .45? I don't watch much TV, but this is a pretty good series on NetFlix.
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I have liked this show from the beginning, as well as most everything Selleck has done.
As for "Danny"; (Donnie Walberg); while brother Mark has a far bigger career, I think Donnie may have paid more attention in acting class.
As to his "gun-handlin", he seems very adept, and I have noticed several times he has switched to "weak-hand" as necessary when edging around a barricade. Be my guess the real cops are taught that move.
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tv and ALL other news = conjecture and innuendo...........but it's gluten free, organic, anti aging and perfect, so ask your doctor for it and HAVE A NICE DAY!!!
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I have liked this show from the beginning, as well as most everything Selleck has done.
As for "Danny"; (Donnie Walberg); while brother Mark has a far bigger career, I think Donnie may have paid more attention in acting class.
As to his "gun-handlin", he seems very adept, and I have noticed several times he has switched to "weak-hand" as necessary when edging around a barricade. Be my guess the real cops are taught that move.
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Maybe some of the firearms realism on Blue Bloods is due to Selleck being a gun guy. I recall him getting into it with Rosie O'Donnell about gun control. He was calm, reasoned, and well informed while she was a raging, well, rhymes with witch.
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>I love it when the crime scene people can tell the cartridge from the wound. "Looks he was shot with a nine!"
Again, I "understand" the fiction shows are a joke, but I don't understand why the shows telling about real crimes can't be more accurate and why they are getting less and less accurate.
Crime show scenes I have seen are:
Longmire: It's a large wound, had to be a .45, long range shot, had to be a .45-70, accurate shot, well, there are no modern .45-70s so it had to be an old Sharpes sniper rifle, go check out anyone who bought an old Sharps in the last year.
Some unknown shows: that bullet' is too small to be a .38, so it is 9mm. Looks like it was fired from a Glock...
That's a .38. Must have been fired by a cop...
CSI: I ran the metal through the FTIR and determined the alloy. Note: FTIR does infrared analysis and works mostly on organic material. You would use X-ray fluorescence, usually as part of an electron microscope, for metal analysis (though there are other means, but X-ray is none destructive).
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I learned many years ago that the only hing you can believe from a news story is something happened. My brother was in an auto accident (he was napping in the back seat) on an LA freeway. The passenger died. Headlines read "Teen age drinking party ends in death" that was 1966. No drinking was involved because all in the car were dedicated athletes/football players and were keeping "clean". Another incident involving "couch surfing" vs. auto made headlines in the local paper and my daughter who knew all participants said to me "But, Daddy, it didn't happen that way"...
News reporting depends on getting readers/viewers so 90% of the reports are "sensationalized". Accuracy just isn't considered to be of much importance. Just watch the weather reports on national TV; "Seventeen million people in the path of killer storms!". "Devastating weather "cripples" cities across the nation". If they just said "an extreme storm is heading...", or dangerous conditions may appear because of ice/snow", they think no one would watch/read. It's often called "poetic license", aka "lies"...
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Most recently I followed a written story,( currently a very big deal in Chi-Town). Seems the policeman shot someone SIXTEEN times with his service REVOLVER......Oh yeah, "and he was going to reload, but was stopped by his partner" !
Must have been one of those special revolvers they issue only for lawing.
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Wow, did Smith start making an X frame in 22 lr?? Oh Man, just when I thought my collection was complete. ..I want one!
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I am always surprised at the number of double action 1911's that are used on TV
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I think most of us here could make pretty long lists concerning the inaccuracy of TV and firearms!
One of my favorites was in a movie my wife was watching, I think it was on Lifetime. Someone dropped a S&W revolver (it looked like a Model 10) down a flight of stairs. It fired every time it hit a step!
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The list of inaccuracies about guns on TV and in movies is actually pretty short - "Everything." The number of times they get it right is so small as to be essentially zero.
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Did John Wayne ever reload his SSA revolver? He shoots (well they did get jerked off their horses) 17 Indians and then picks up his lever action rifle.
Does Glock make a high capacity revolver? Just asking.
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The worst one I saw was on a tv show can't remember which one but you here a pump shotgun racking and buddy is holding a side by side shotgun.
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The perpetual effect of WB cartoons on our culture is everywhere evident.
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Watching CSI Miami with the wife a few years ago and they go to a murder scene in a hotel. Ballistics guy says "She looks to be shot with a 40mm". I told my wife if she was shot with a 40MM that crime scene would look a WHOLE LOT different.
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Always loved the sound of cocking hammer when actor has glock (or some other striker pistol) and the all time "best" spin that revolver cylinder and wrist slap it closed Hmm, maybe I shouldn't attempt flying with that superman cape after all ...
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>Watching CSI Miami with the wife a few years ago and they go to a murder scene in a hotel. Ballistics guy says "She looks to be shot with a 40mm". I told my wife if she was shot with a 40MM that crime scene would look a WHOLE LOT different.
That's been in newspaper reports, along with .40mm...
My point was about a show that is supposed to be showing reality and has real police talking about real crimes, and the words don't match the scenes, even when the words spoken actually make some sense.
The latest type of stupidity issue is having the "dead" actor on his side when the narrator says the body was lying on his back.
It takes real stupidity not to notice the words over the scene don't match.
Kinda does put a cocked Kimber 1911 in his waist holster with the thumb safety off--but he's a detective and what does he know? Thanks God the military asked for a grip safety.
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My favorite is when they show the entire cartridge coming out of the barrel in slow motion and heading toward the victim. I have seen this a couple of times. The WHOLE cartridge... brass casing and all.
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People have been known to copy ideas from crimes on
TV, and the movies. Many times writers are encouraged to
put inaccuracies about firearms and the way crimes were
done, in order to throw off "copycat criminals". Some producers
and directors don't want "blood on their hands".
But yeah, you see some real doozies on TV...
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