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Howdy all.

my SA 1911 5" PPC 9mm will be in my hands in a few weeks.

my piece will have a match Nowlin barrel.

I have no time behind a 9mm 1911 and I am looking for the best round to load for the best accuracy potential.

Not necessarily a light load, but an accurate round.

Yes, I am aware different loads may not group well in my piece,

just looking for a starting point.

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Howdy all.

my SA 1911 5" PPC 9mm will be in my hands in a few weeks.

my piece will have a match Nowlin barrel.

I have no time behind a 9mm 1911 and I am looking for the best round to load for the best accuracy potential.

Not necessarily a light load, but an accurate round.

Yes, I am aware different loads may not group well in my piece,

just looking for a starting point.

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Sgt Preston here. Hopefully I will pick up my new SA 1911 x 9mm "Loaded P19134LP" tomorrow if the MD State Police finish finding me "fit to own a gun" by the end of today. I do NOT have "THE" load for my 1911, but I do have a load that I have used for other 9's. I have tested this load in Beretta 92's to see that it cycles & it did. I have fired 10,000 rounds like this thru my S&W 539 without a hitch. So here is MY starting point. I use 124 grained flat point copper plated Berrys' bullets. I load 4.2 grains of WIN 231 powder. I seat my bullets to an OAL of 1.090. And I crimp to .379 /.380. My brass is all used range brass & I use WIN small standard primers. I don'y know for sure how accurate this will be in my new 1911, but it should be a good safe starting point. PS, I also reload on a Dillon 550. Hope this helps. Good luck with the new gun. Please post your load after you find "THE WINNER". Sgt Preston USMC LLA
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Thanks Sarge for the info.

I do like 231.

where do you get the best price for those slugs?
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CQB, I buy my bullets directly from Berrys. www.berrysmfg.com They have always had FREE SHIPPING. I like the flat points strictly because I get a very clean hole in my paper targets. I've also never had any trace of lead in the barrels of any of my guns when using their products. Preston
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I will try these first.

but I need 9mm reloading stuff first.

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I've had good luck with WW Super-Field and Hodgon "Longshot" in 9mm with cast bullets.

Won couple of local PPC matches with that combo.


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I've had good luck with WW Super-Field and Hodgon "Longshot" in 9mm with cast bullets.

Won couple of local PPC matches with that combo.


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I use 6.3 grains of AA#5 with 115 grain Winchester FMJ flat base bullets, cci small primers C.O.L. 1.35". This is an extremely accurate load in my M&P 9mm.
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Sgt Preston back again. CQB, I picked up my brand new SA 1911 x 9mm this afternoon. As soon as I got back home, I took it apart, cleaned & lubed it & will be try "my load" in it tommorrow. In a few days & as soon as the gun feels broken in & is grouping consistently, I'll let you know how the load performs. Preston
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I'm watching this thread with intrest. I'll be using a CZ75 in PPC and IDPA this year and have just purchased 1000 of the Berry's bullets, my can of 231 is a bit light but that only takes money to fix.

Any idea if this will make 125 out of a 4.5" barrel??
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I use 124 grained flat point copper plated Berrys' bullets. I load 4.2 grains of WIN 231 powder.
I have used the same weight load only behind a cast bullet. It shot very well out of my XD 9mm Tactical and Siq P226 as far as accuracy. The problem I had was with leading. I gave up and went back to plated but with Raniers.

I want to hear how your SA 1911 9mm do fellas. Make sure you put some pictures of the targets online for us to see!

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I'm watching this thread with intrest. I'll be using a CZ75 in PPC and IDPA this year and have just purchased 1000 of the Berry's bullets, my can of 231 is a bit light but that only takes money to fix.

Any idea if this will make 125 out of a 4.5" barrel??
rundownfid, are you a Texan...Conroe PD???

Last year at Brownsville TX Police Games, there was a fella who shot a CZ with a bomar at the match. Just wondering if it was you?
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This was sent to me yearsssssssssss ago from another forum that no longer assists and the topic was PPC accuracy. it has some loads I too want to try. I was also given a box of match 115's made by Precision Delta by a buddy who has been shooting PPC for a long time. he has the money to drive to the state and national matches to play (WOW)! I do want to pull one of them and see what in it or call and see if I can duplicate and just buy enough for a match that requires new factory ammo, which is a killer for us reloaders!!!!!!!!

I dont remember the year, but if I had to guess the time of this post, 2002 and 2003.

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You were obviously the only one who had a clue as to what I was talking about when I was talking "ACCURACY".

I am talking about bottle cap size groups at 50yds., not 15 !!

A gun that won't hold well inside the 3"x5" X-ring on a NRA B-27 at 50yds is a looser. When you consider that last years Semi-Auto 1500 was won by Agent Clay Tippet with a 1498-105x, shooting a $3,000.00 Alan Tanaka 1911 built on a Caspian Stainless 6"slide and frame with an Aristocrat rib, you get the real idea of what accruacy really is all about.
This years nationals was won with a 6" PPC-9 @ $1250.00. S&W really dosen't make money off these guns as they use them to "seed" the law enforcement market for their regular production guns.

You really need to use a premium grade of ammunition to get the accuracy potential out of your Performance Center guns.

The source you referenced concerning the 124gr. was right on target. I've seen better results from my guns with the 115gr and 124's. Because of the price differential and availability, I have gone to the 115's because I really can't shoot the difference at 50yds. Usually 1/2" to 3/4" more: 1.2"grouops vs 1.75-2.0"

The best generally available 124 is the Federal Hydro-shok but they are very expensive. A very close -essentially a tie- is the 124 Speer Gold Dot, also very expensive.

Most of the competitors are using either Precision Delta (Ruleville,Ms), or Anderson Cartridge (Memphis, Tn). A few use the Zero ammo, and some Master Cartridge/Georgia Arms.
The Precision Delta/ Anderson use Starline brass with proprietary head stamps, Hornady Bullets, and Winchester primers to ignite Winchester 231 in the 115's and Win. Superfield in the 124's and 147's. Dennis with Anderson was showing a photo of a custom 1911 he uses to do ammo testing with a group that measured 1.2"wide by 2.2" tall fired with the 147's at 50 yds. He has discontinued the old 115 load, but Precision Delta still loads it. Last night I pulled one from the latest lot and it had 4.6gr of Win-231 which is the lightest load that will reliably cycle most guns. He claims 5.0 but I was suspicious for years that it was less, as my powder measure throws 4.9 and mine was running a little warmer.

The 5.0 Win-231 loaded with any of the "premium" 115's will give excellent accruacy. The Hornady's are favored as Hornady is supporting the custom "small" factory companies with very good bulk rate prices. This is why companies such as Black Hills (also very good ammo at decent prices- USAMU is using their ammo in 9mm and are loading with an unspecified Vita Vouri powder in the .45gr 185 match loading- 4.3gr of N-310 I'm told) and others such as Precision, Anderson, Atlanta Arms use the Hornady bullets. And by the way, the 147gr Hornady is a boat tail ! Most are loading 4.4gr of Win Superfield in the 147's and seating to 1.125" oal.

From the S&W's you will get best accuracy from 115's and 124's as they are using the old barrel rifling equipment and using a 1-18 3/8" twist in their barrels. This is why the Miss. Hyw Patrol team used the 115gr this year, however Jim Reyes (S&W PC) said that they may go to a 1-16 twist on account of many competitors prefering the 147gr bullets. My PPC-9 (yes it's the 5"bbl) dosen't group well with the 147 ( by this I mean 2-21/2" groups at 50yds- hence with my zigs and zags means un-called 9's at the 50yd line.

My nemisis in the local league is an ancient retired trooper who shoots for SpringField Armory. He uses a home-built (realize he's been shooting NRA bullseye for 43yrs! and has lathes, milling machines,ect. and a range behind the shop) He uses a Clark barrel with a 1-12" twist and the 124gr Speer Gold Dot on top of 4.8gr of Win. Superfield, and seats them to about 1.14"oal. He and his son still hold the 2-man team record. I've watched him put 18 rds through the same 1.5"x2" hole shooting the 25yd Match 2 stage.

He had Master Cartridge load him 5 cases of that load, (for shooting the "Distinguished" matches requiring factory ammo) several years back. If you don't reload, contact them and ask for Curtis Shipely and see if they still use that recipe in their 124's. I know that their 115's and 147's are hot as all get-out, and have been know to blow cases in Glocks and other guns with unsupported case heads, so they aren't good in match grade pistols.

Lastly, my PPC-9 came with a test target fired by Smith&Wesson that was 5 shots of Fed. 115 Classic (I used to could by this at Walmart !) that was shot from a machine rest at 25yds that measued .675" outside-extreame spread !! Thats about the size of a finger nail. So, the Federal Classic is a good "less" expensive alternative. If I were limited to a Walmart offering, it would be the Winchester White Box 115jhp. Although I usually load the Remington or Rainier 115hp's for practice and league competition, the Winchesters are nearly as good and very predictable on performance, however I quit using them when I got a bad lot of them one time; accuracy was in feet not inches at 50yds !!!

I hope in all this rambling you find some pieces of useful information.

Good luck with the 945, they too are very accurate! Try the Nosler 185 JHP with 4.3 gr of VV N-310. I'm told the US Marines are kicking butt with this load. However, you may need a 12-14lb spring if you use it in a 1911 et-al.

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I have been horsing around on the computer this morning.

here are some good 9mm reload links

if I find more, I will post. I have some homework to do on this one. I will order my Dillon 9mm stuff next week.

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...hlight=9mm+PPC

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=218759

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=218732

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=217128

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=217365

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Sgt Preston here. I took my new SA 1911 x 9mm to the range for her maiden voyage today. I rolled 100 rounds down range & the gun cycled perfectly with 4.2 grains of Win 231 under a 124 grain bullet head. I'd have to call it a "recoiless" hand gun so far. The load seemed to group well. I post again after I gather more information. All in all, it was a good day in "toy land". Preston
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Sgt Preston here. I took my new SA 1911 x 9mm to the range for her maiden voyage today. I rolled 100 rounds down range & the gun cycled perfectly with 4.2 grains of Win 231 under a 124 grain bullet head. I'd have to call it a "recoiless" hand gun so far. The load seemed to group well. I post again after I gather more information. All in all, it was a good day in "toy land". Preston
good report. I have NO time behind a 9mm 1911. this is a good starting point. I assume my SA 1911 will come with the same # rate of recoil spring and I requested a 3.5# trigger.

Not necessarily looking for a light load, but looking for the most accuracy, especially at 50 yds.

I am used to shooting 45 ball, so 9mm should not make too much difference.
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Sgt Preston back again. CQB I took my new SA 1911 x 9mm back to the range for another round of fun. Yesterday I just fired for familiarization & to learn the "trigger". Today I worker on adjusting the sights & steering the group to the center of the target. I tried to do this yesterday, but the sight adjusting screws have a "ratchet" to keep them from moving once it was dialed in. The very small pocket screw driver that I had with me yesterday was too small for me to turn. So today I came armed with a full sized screwdriver & the screws moved perfectly. The vertical adjustment on the sight is spring loaded. Yesterday it was grouping 2" low. The sight was shipped in the fully down position. It moved up easily, but it took a lot of clicks to get it in the the center of the bullseye. The load seems to be very consistent & cycles the gun perfectly. It has been flawless & the groups have been great. This is NOT a wimply load, but the mass of the 1911 seems to dampen the load much more than when I fired it out of my all steel S&W 539. I would classify the trigger on mine as a 2 stage trigger where stage 1 is slack & stage 2 is the wall. Lean into the wall & it goes bang. This is exactly the way I like them. I would guess the trigger to trip at 3.5 to 4 pounds. So far so good. Tomorrow will be another day at the range. Hope this helps. Sgt Preston USMC LLA.
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CQB,

I have a pair of Springfield 1911's on order, one in the Stock Auto configuration in stainless (fixed sights, 4 # trigger), the second set up for Distinguished Auto (tri-set sights, 3.5# trigger). The second will be built two-tone, Armory coat on the frame, teflon nickle on the slide.

I don't anticipate shooting handloads out of these until I retire. My agency now issues us Federal 147 gr Hy-shocks. These shoot almost as tight as the 124 gr Hydra-shock. Both of these rounds shoot pretty tight in my 6" 1911 (built by Alan Tanaka) and my 5" PPC9.

We also had Georgia Arms build some test ammo for us this last year. Their offering was a 115 gr that shot to our sights (set for the 147's) with no adjustment. One batch was with a Horanady bullet the second batch was with a sierra bullet. Both shot well and with almost no recoil (especially when compared to the 147's). It is unknown what powder they used, probably a proprietary powder. I managed a 180 x 17 on Match 2 with this ammo ( a real feat for me with the 1911).

In the last year I have begun to master the 1911 trigger, which gave me the impetus to buy two more.
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I have a pair of Springfield 1911's on order, one in the Stock Auto configuration in stainless (fixed sights, 4 # trigger), the second set up for Distinguished Auto (tri-set sights, 3.4# trigger). The second will be built two-tone, Armory coat on the frame, teflon nickle on the slide.

I don't anticipate shooting handloads out of these until I retire. My agency now issues us Federal 147 gr Hy-shocks. These shoot almost as tight as the 124 gr Hydra-shock. Both of these rounds shoot pretty tight in my 6" 1911 (built by Alan Tanaka) and my 5" PPC9.

We also had Georgia Arms build some test ammo for us this last year. Their offering was a 115 gr that shot to our sights (set for the 147's) with no adjustment. One batch was with a Horanady bullet the second batch was with a sierra bullet. Both shot well and with almost no recoil (especially when compared to the 147's). It is unknown what powder they used, probably a proprietary powder. I managed a 180 x 17 on Match 2 with this ammo ( a real feat for me with the 1911).

In the last year I have begun to master the 1911 trigger, which gave me the impetus to buy two more.
Sounds like you have some experience with PPC. I may be looking you up for advice. and excellant shooting on Match 2.

I am hoping with my new piece, it will put me well into the mid + 1400 score. I hope!
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CQB,

I have been shooting PPC in earnest for about 12 years. First tried out for the Border Patrol Team in 1989, but found PPC too boring, so I shot Action Pistol instead. One day I woke up and decided I needed the "boring" discipline of PPC and the game has been kicking my butt ever since. I made the Michigan Governor's 20 all three years I worked there, and have made the California Gov's 20 the last two years.

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I have been shooting PPC in earnest for about 12 years. First tried out for the Border Patrol Team in 1989, but found PPC too boring, so I shot Action Pistol instead. One day I woke up and decided I needed the "boring" discipline of PPC and the game has been kicking my butt ever since. I made the Michigan Governor's 20 all three years I worked there, and have made the California Gov's 20 the last two years.

I'll be glad to offer you any advice I can, its free and you'll get what you pay for or your money back.
You BP shooters can shoot. On my last event in June 08, to my right was a BP shooting a 586 he borrowed in the duty revovler match.

I screwed up and used different ammo than I trained with and my entire 25 yd group printed high! urgggghhhhhhhhhh!

He knocked the X out!

He did not bring a semi so he watched.

I do very well at 7 and 25 yds and the 50 is where my scores drop. I have been using a fixed sight gun, but I will soon have a tri rear.

I may need guidance setting the rear sight since I have no knowledge with the aristocrat.

the gun builder said I can shoot point of aim at 25 with the rear and I plan a neck hold at 50. I assume at the 7, I just set to aim 10 ring to drop in the X.

if I have a weak area at the 50, it will be from sitting. just cant get comfortable. I used the arms around the knee position and find myself slowly falling back on every shot (with recoil) and have to re-grab another bite for the next shot.

Since my fixed sighted gun (45acp 1911) would not drop rounds into the X/10 ring from a neck hold, I had to drop the front sight to about 8ish if I was shooting ball and of course with no fine sight alignment there, I had no real grouping.

I am left eye dominant but right handed, but I do well shooting prone left handed since I am a big guy and could not get my head down far enough for a right handed prone shot.

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So it has been said....all the way back into the mid 1920's.

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You'll love the tri-set sight once you have it dialed in. Make sure you always return it to position 2 at the end of your shooting session. Position 2 will be the lowest setting (used for the 25 yard line) whether you shoot center or neck.

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Setting it up is simple, first off run the main (gross) adjustment screw all the way down, then bring it up 1.5 to 2 full turns. I find 1.5 is usually a good starting place.

There are three small allen screws in the sight, each marked 1, 2 and 3. Those marks correspond with the positions of the adjustment knob. Use position 1 for 7 and 15 yards (and 25 if shooting center), 2 for the 25 shooting neck hold and 3 for the 50.

I start at the 7, run off a couple quick and get it close to center, then repeat from the 15. Just get them close fine tune later. You'll find the rear sight is pretty well raised in position 1.

At the 25 I fire my sighters from strng hand baracade. Two shots at a time and tweaking the little allen screw after each two. By the 25 you'll start adjusting the windage too.

Naturally, position 3 will be used for neck hold at the 50. Repeat the two shot exercise from your stringest position, tweaking the sights after each pair of shots. That will get you close and now you start over from the 7 and fine tune.

The main screw will have a arrow indicating the direction to turn to raise the bullet impact. That arrow refers only to the main screw. For the little allen screws it is opposite. Also, at the 50, it has been my experience that one flat of the allen equals one inch in bullet movement.

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the gun builder said I can shoot point of aim at 25 with the rear and I plan a neck hold at 50. I assume at the 7, I just set to aim 10 ring to drop in the X.
You can shoot point of aim at 25, but why? The neck gives a very definite point of aim. Aim small, miss small, isn't that what they say?

I forgot to mention that I set my sights for the 7 and 15 so my aim point is the top of the X ring. That way the bullets are hitting below my line of sight.

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The sitting should be one of your most stable positions. I would look at your leg as a baracade. It is hard to describe in writing how I get in position, it is more a visual thing. You can use either your right or left leg, most rightys use the left, I differ in that I shoot from my right on the outside of the leg. You'll have to try all variations until you find one that works for you.

Since you are rolling onto your back, that tells me you are doing something right in letting your body weight be carried by your arms and legs rather then using your gut muscles. That is a good thing. Watch the BP shooters in the sitting, pay attention to their footwear. A good set of boots add just the right counter balance. I don't even practice in tennie runners just a good heavy pair of duty boots.

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Remember how you did that, because if you ever shoot the Texas State Championships you'll be shooting a full Distinguished Match using a Duty revolver and a Duty auto rather than your Distinguished guns for the Texas Distinguished Matches.

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That should not be any problem. There are a bunch of cross-eye dominant shooters. It will just a be little adjustment to your left with the gun to keep it centered in front of your shooting eye, something I am sure you do naturally by now. Do practice shooting with your non-dominant eye too though because you never know when you'll be on a range where you might have to.

The range in Albuquerque come to mind. At the 25 yard line, left hand baracade, I have to shoot with my left eye because the tarhets are so far to my right that I can't lean out far enough to the left.

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thanks for the detailed post. I have some bathroom reading material to catch up on now.

I wished I had my piece in front of me now.

I agree with your assessment at the 25 yd line. I just needed a kick in that direction.

My sitting position is desribed by you, its just not comfortable, but at least I know I have been doing it right. I do feel my feet coming off the ground sometimes and will look at some heavy boots to help with this.

thank you for the detailed sight setting instructions to get me started. I really appreciate it.

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. Is "one flat" equal to one full turn of the allen wrench?

MKT, thanks for taking the time to address this as I would have had no clue on getting started. I am sure SA would be sending instructions for the sight, but wont know till it arrives.

do you have any video of yourself or another shooter using proper shooting stances in a match to fine tune my skills if I were to get a copy? I do have the John Pride video on DVD but was disappointed with the overall content.

I know I am still years away from bumping my scores up, but any advantage to get me started in the right direction would be great.

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Is "one flat" equal to one full turn of the allen wrench?

do you have any video of yourself or another shooter using proper shooting stances in a match to fine tune my skills if I were to get a copy? I do have the John Pride video on DVD but was disappointed with the overall content.

I know I am still years away from bumping my scores up, but any advantage to get me started in the right direction would be great.
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When you look at the allen wrench, as it is sitting in the screw, there are six flat sides to the wrench. When you turn the allen wrench, turn it the the direction you need and watch the flats. One sixth of a turn is one flat, one flat moves the impact about one inch. It is a rough gauge and probably different for everyone due to the way folks look through the sights, but it'll get you close.

John gave me a copy of his video but I have never watched it. I plan to some day, to see if he has any mental aspect tips. I don't have any video of myself shooting, might have a picture or two. I have often thought about running video of my target to help figure out the occasional 8 I throw (clearly a trigger jerk, but I sure don't feel it).

Proper stances are widely varied. For PPC, most folks use a full isosceles stance, including the baracade positions. For the baracade do not try to walk the tight rope (feet in front of one another) as you'll be very unstable. You also have to make sure your feet are inside the foul line, as in behind the baracade, but the perfect position is an adaptation to each individual shooter. What works for me may not work for you.

With practice and time the scores will come. It seems the harder I try to shoot a perfect stage the less headway I make. Just relax, watch the front sight and be smooth on the trigger. Get your aim points down pat and be consistent.

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thanks Mike

I get the flat now.

good info you have provided and yes we veered off course, like those occasional 8's

me, I throw an occasional 7 or two on my fixed sight 1911.
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I was given a box of match 9mm 115 JHP XTP's from this company to try out when I get my gun.

http://www.atlantaarmsandammo.com/index.htm

I wish I knew what powder so I can try and duplicate.

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Mike,

That ammo in a black box with white end labels? Does it also have a sticker next to the word Atlanta with the bullet info and lot #?

Earlier when I stated we had Georgia Arms build some ammo I was mistaken. As soon as I read your last post it tripped my memory. I went out to the ammo supply and found my remaining supply of the test ammo. It is Atlanta Arms not Georgia Arms. This is the stuff that hits to the sights (when set for 147s) when little recoil. It is very dirty ammo though. Something to do with the flash suppressor I think.

When you shoot through a couple three boxes the insides of your gun will look like it sat outside in the East Texas spring, all of the yellow particles looks like pine pollen. It mau be dirty, but it is good shooting ammo. I would suggest not starting out with it though.

Some of the team, with newer guns or heavier recoil springs had some minor feeding problems and the slides would not lock back on the last shot. The light recoil not driving the slide fully to the rear. My gun has a lighter recoil spring and I still had a few incidences of failing to lock back. Not a problen if you are counting while shooting though.

Start the new gun out on full power factory ammo to ensure it is functioning correctly.
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That ammo in a black box with white end labels? Does it also have a sticker next to the word Atlanta with the bullet info and lot #?
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Lot #180608

I have about 500 of factory ball (blazer, white box and remington) that I was going to use first to break in my gun.

I will hold out on my AAA till after I got some rounds through the tube.
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Same stuff I have sitting here. Only a few folks that I know have any of it . It is good shooting stuff.
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the guy who gave it to me is someone I met years ago and he invited me to shoot with their club about 1.5 hrs away.

I told him about my gun, and he had a box of this stuff and he said to try it out.

its starline brass, so it probably brand new and not reman brass.
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Sgt Preston back again. I tried to some more rounds thru the new SA 1011 x 9mm yesterday, but the gun range was packed & I decided not to wait two hours for a spot. So I went back today & continued my trial. The gun functions perfectly on my load & my load seems to be excellent at 10 yards. I have red dot scopes on all my other guns & am shooting this one with open sights & old eye balls. I will need to shoot this gun off a rest to determine the overall load accuracy. But rest assured that this load is a good place to start. Hope this helps. Sgt Preston USMC LLA
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Sgt Preston back again. I tried to some more rounds thru the new SA 1011 x 9mm yesterday, but the gun range was packed & I decided not to wait two hours for a spot. So I went back today & continued my trial. The gun functions perfectly on my load & my load seems to be excellent at 10 yards. I have red dot scopes on all my other guns & am shooting this one with open sights & old eye balls. I will need to shoot this gun off a rest to determine the overall load accuracy. But rest assured that this load is a good place to start. Hope this helps. Sgt Preston USMC LLA
Sgt, was it this load you are using

I use 124 grained flat point copper plated Berrys' bullets. I load 4.2 grains of WIN 231 powder. I seat my bullets to an OAL of 1.090. And I crimp to .379 /.380.
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CQB that is the load I'm using & it's cycling the gun perfectly. Preston
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OK, good deal.

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CQB, I went through this a couple of years ago, and I'm still trying to find a PPC load that groups at least x-ring at 50 yards. Let me share with you my findings. First of all let say that I have the same guns you do a 5 inch and 6 inch Springfield PPC 1911, I also have the 5 and 6 inch S&W PPC9's. So I tested all my ammo with these four guns.

I started with 115 gr bullets and 231. That didn't work. I then tried 231 with 124 plated bullets that was a little better. I got a decient 25 yd group but the 50 was awfull. I then heard about Winchester Super Field (WSF) powder. I tried WSF with 124 plated and my groups got substancially better.

With more experimentation I've come up with a pretty good 50 yd. load, and is an excellent 25 yd load that shoots very tight at 25. Its 4.8 to 5.0 grs. of WSF and a Zero 125 JHP bullet OAl 1.095 with a light crimp .379/.380. The .2 grain variance is kinda gun dependent but, 4.8 is a good starting point. I think the secret to a good 9mm load is a premium bullet and a slower burning powder. I found 231 was to fast for 9mm. I read were some PPC shooters are using 6 grs of Power Pistol with a Hornady 124 fmjfp I don't remember what the OAL of that load is though. I haven't tried this load yet, as the componets are not readly available in my area. But I am going to order some Hornady 124 fmjfp bullets and find a source for Power Pistol and try it soon. As I said earlier I'm still tweaking my load, trying to find that accurate 9mm.

What I have been doing lately is practicing with 124 plated bullets from Extreme Bullets and 5 grs of WSF. It's a good practice load and the bullets are priced right, plus the company is close by so I don't have shipping charge issues. Again, it's a practice load and it does not group well at 50. WSF powder is all over, I buy mine at Sportsman Wharehouse. I get the Zero bullets direct for Zero, there located in Alabama, good people to deal with. Tell them your LEO shooting PPC and they will take care of you. If you can't get the Zero bullets. Any premuim bullet should be ok with the WSF powder.

Over last Three PPC seasons I have been using my reloads in the 1500 match at 25 yds and in, and using factory Win. 147's at 50. The reason I still use factory at 50 yds. is that I'm still not satified with my load and I can't make it shoot as tight as factory. My load is good but you know how competitors are now, I'ts become a head thing with me.

Oh and I've shot quiet a few years with MKT he know what he's talking about and his advise about setting your sights is spot on, you can take everything he tells you to the bank.

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Paul,

thanks for the post. You BP too?

I did not know there was still many PPCers on the forum.

It was recently discussed at Brownsville by a group at the TX Police Games that PPC was a dieing catagory.

There was well over 3 to 1 that signed up for the tactical over the duty stuff and PPC.

the guy who won the tactical shot a plain jane colt and whipped alot of folks who showed up with high dollar SVI's and other home made jobbers.

YES, I will take any advice. I am still a novice but want to improve my standings. I dont care much for trophies. I just want to walk away knowing I did the best I could.

I am hoping this high $$ (to me) 1911 will improve my scores.

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CQB, No not BP. I'm a retired Deputy Sheriff. I was with Santa Cruz County, Ca. Sheriff's Office for 31yrs. I shot my first PPC match in 1971. I guess I'm dating myself. Anyway MKT and I shoot the PPC matches in California. Your right PPC is dieing. In California up to a couple of years ago we would have 20 PPC mathces thru the spring/summer. Now I think were down to about 16 matches, for this year. We used to have great participation and used to have to host a match over a 2 day period. Now we get 35 to 40 shooters for a match and we can pretty much do a match in one day.

One thing PPC will do for you, is greatly enhance your accuracy and gun handling skills. So if you decide to do some of the action shooting stuff, like ipsc or idpa, you'll already be there as far the basic skills go, you'll just have to kick the speed up some.
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Mike,

I hate to hear that the Police Games are losing shooters in the PPC matches. I have a drawer full of medals from shooting the Police Games PPC Duty Gun matches. Lots of fun and great folks. Shoot me an email and give me the location of the 2009 games. I'd like to come and see if an old retired guy can still snag a medal or two!
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Sounds like Iowa and Camp Dodge all over again!
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I was in 2nd grade in 71, but was eyeing my POPS blue steeled revovler.

thanks for the info.

Wayne, good to hear from ya. I guess you full time here again?

I will send you the link for the police games in Conroe, Tejas and it would be great to see ya there.
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Sorry it has taken so long to reply, but no I am not a Texan, but I take it as a complement to be asked. I am a Pennsylvanian, born, bred, and pedigreed. Not that I like our current state of affairs here.
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Sorry it has taken so long to reply, but no I am not a Texan, but I take it as a complement to be asked. I am a Pennsylvanian, born, bred, and pedigreed. Not that I like our current state of affairs here.
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no worries on the reply. the reason I asked, there was a shooter from my last match who was shooting a bomared CZ from Conroe, TX and asked me not to show up to the 2009 games. thought it might be you.

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Sgt Preston back again. I have now fired 500 rounds thru my new SA 1911 x 9mm Loaded Pistol(P19134LP $899.00). All I can say is WOW! I am impressed. I am shooting it with my old geezer eyes & open sights. My groups are the same size as I get with my S&W PC-945 with the UltraDot LT Red Dot scope. I intended to put a Red Dot on the new SA, but after seeing how well it has preformed so far, I may not. Yabadabado. Sgt Preston USMC LLA
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thanks for the report.

I need to order 9mm stuff for my Dillon.

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Don't forget to try some heavy bullets in your 9mm!
My first year in IPSC I loaded 147gr
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The heaver bullets seem to work well at longer
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Just do not try to drive them fast.
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I got my 9 today. WOOOOOO HOOOOOOO
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The following loading has proven to be accurate in a Glock G-17 and appears to be so in an S&W MP9 after limited use:

Precision hard swaged coated 125gr FP bullet – 4.7grs Unique – Win case – WSP primer – OAL 1.062in - .377in taper crimp diameter.

Note: The Glock G17 accuracy with the Glock OEM and Lone Wolf barrels were on average comparable. The Lone Wolf barrel required minor fitting and polishing of the feed ramp.

I believe that the accuracy potential is there to be more than adequate for the 10 & X rings on the B27-(?) target. That’s to say if a better platform is utilized. Is not the AMU that has the Berretta 92 set up for extreme accuracy?
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CQB, Did those bullets I mailed you arrive?
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CQB,

Glad to hear your gun has arrived, I'm still waiting on mine. When did you order?

I tried to get that care packet shipped last Monday, but the local "UPS Store" refused, apparently I have to go to the hub. My plans is to hit the hub after I finish with the horses today. I'll keep you posted.
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