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Old 01-10-2009, 02:50 PM
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Well after the discussions on new brass, tarnished bullets and scales and balances, I finally got to load a few test rounds.

Had to take wifey to the arts and crafts show which actually turned out OK. I got a wood inlay (Marquetry )picture of a schooner at full sail. Guy is from Finland. 107 pieces of wood and 22 species. Anyway, I digress.

21.6 grs 2400
CCI LPP
New Rem Brass
the infamous belmished 180gr bullets XTP?
Lee factory crimp/post size set to medium.

Anyway, I'll try them in the 629 and the Marlin lever action.

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Well after the discussions on new brass, tarnished bullets and scales and balances, I finally got to load a few test rounds.

Had to take wifey to the arts and crafts show which actually turned out OK. I got a wood inlay (Marquetry )picture of a schooner at full sail. Guy is from Finland. 107 pieces of wood and 22 species. Anyway, I digress.

21.6 grs 2400
CCI LPP
New Rem Brass
the infamous belmished 180gr bullets XTP?
Lee factory crimp/post size set to medium.

Anyway, I'll try them in the 629 and the Marlin lever action.

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Old 01-10-2009, 03:00 PM
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They look like death rays
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Old 01-10-2009, 03:07 PM
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Wish I had a chrono to see what velocity they actually go. From what I have been able to look up and from help here, these are at the low end.
From a rifle about 1700fps. The load data went up to 27.5 for 2100fps and I an't going near that.
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Old 01-10-2009, 06:17 PM
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I just bought me some Hornady XTP 180s to load for my Super Redhawk. I am going to use Accurate #5 and CCI primers. I shoot quite of few of the Remington 180 grain factory loads and have taken several deer with them out to 50 yards with no complaints from the deer. They are very accurate out of my 9 1/2 barrel when I do my part.
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Old 01-10-2009, 06:42 PM
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OCD,
Those look good! Here are what mine looked like!



If I could make just one suggestion. I would tighten up the crimp just a little, especially for use in rifle. If you take a look at mine, it's kind of hard to see, you will notice the lip of the case is "rolled" into the cannalure.
That will keep those baby's there under recoil and in the tube of your rifle.

Do a little test. Measure an assembled bullet for overall length. Take that cartridge and put it on the table with the bullet facing down and the primer end in your open palm. Lean on it. Remeasure the cartridge. If it has moved at all, you need more crimp. Now, when I said "lean" on it, that's what I mean. Put some weight on it. Don't slap it, or bang it. Just lean.

Running your thumb pad down the outside of the bullet from bullet to head, you shouldn't feel the edge of the case. This only pertains to the loads you have loaded. Reason being? 2400 and a standard primer. You won't be able to see the difference this makes without a chronograph though. It may show up in accuracy.
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Old 01-10-2009, 08:04 PM
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Agree with Skip. Roll that edge some more.
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I agree. I think you need a bit more crimp or else the bullets'll move in the case during recoil.
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They all look great, the fun part is yet to come! (shooting them)

Oh OCD1,
Throw a little more crimp on them, but not a lot more.
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Old 01-12-2009, 02:01 PM
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OK, How do these look? The three in front I recrimped the background are the first version.

Thanks for the test. I pushed the bullet straight down in the case. Although I do possess strength far greater than mortal men

The recrimped ain't moving.

If I switch to H110 should I also have a heavy crimp?

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Old 01-12-2009, 02:43 PM
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They look great, now go shoot em.
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How do these look?
Great!

Like John said, go shoot them. You can shoot the other ones too, just one in the firearm at a time.

I'll tell you what, if you are shooting them in a revolver do this, take 3 of the heavy crimped ones, load the other chambers with the ones that aren't crimped. Shoot the 3 crimped ones then take the other ones out of the firearm, measure them. If you want to really make a test out of this, put 5 to one in it and measure the last one, don't shoot it.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!DON'T DO THIS IF YOU ARE SHOOTING THEM IN A TUBE FED RIFLE THOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

During recoil in them the bullet will get pushed into the case and that raises pressure exponentially. You could end up with part of your firearm in your forearm or worse.

On the H110 thing, yes, you need a heavy crimp on those as well.
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Old 01-12-2009, 05:38 PM
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OK, Thanks. I only loaded 20 and have allready recrimped them.
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Well I shot them toay. Work very well in the rifle and were very "stout" in a 4" 629. As I only had a few I will have to readjust my sights as I had them set for for much heavier lead bullets and less velocity.
Even though they were at the low end of the load amount, they sure sounded and felt like full house factory loads.

Time to make a more.
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Well I shot them toay. Work very well in the rifle and were very "stout" in a 4" 629. As I only had a few I will have to readjust my sights as I had them set for for much heavier lead bullets and less velocity.
Even though they were at the low end of the load amount, they sure sounded and felt like full house factory loads.

Time to make a more.


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