Is Alliant 2400 a "new" powder or re named?

Rule3 · #1 01-09-2009, 08:56 AM

Curious as my Lee 2nd edition has no load data for it in any table.

Rule3 · #2 01-09-2009, 08:56 AM

Curious as my Lee 2nd edition has no load data for it in any table.

Erich · #3 01-09-2009, 09:38 AM

It's been around since . . . well, Sharpe's 1941 book discusses it.

bmcgilvray · #4 01-09-2009, 10:08 AM

I'm thinking I've got a reference around here that states that Hercules introduced 2400 around 1932 for use in the then new .22 Hornet.

Rule3 · #5 01-09-2009, 10:20 AM

Hmmm, very odd. Maybe Mr Lee just didn't like it, forgot it or just no more room for it.

czakjm · #6 01-09-2009, 03:43 PM

OCD1...I'm looking at my copy of Lee's 2nd ed. page 560... "HERC 2400"...along with all the other Alliant powders, were originally made by the Hercules Powder Co. up until the late 80's or early 90's when the factory was bought by Alliant... 2400 has been around since Moby Dick was a sardine...

Rule3 · #7 01-09-2009, 04:06 PM

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Originally posted by czakjm:
OCD1...I'm looking at my copy of Lee's 2nd ed. page 560... "HERC 2400"...along with all the other Alliant powders, were originally made by the Hercules Powder Co. up until the late 80's or early 90's when the factory was bought by Alliant... 2400 has been around since Moby Dick was a sardine...

Yep, I see it there. I also have now found it on the 44 Mag up in the heavier bullets.
Thanks!, Just going blind and senile but they still let me have guns

Skip Sackett · #8 01-10-2009, 05:09 AM

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blind and senile

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!OH BROTHER DO I RESEMBLE THAT REMARK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jrplourde · #9 01-10-2009, 05:54 AM

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Alliant... 2400 has been around since Moby Dick was a sardine...

That is worth quoting.

Rule3 · #10 01-10-2009, 08:09 AM

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Originally posted by jrplourde:

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Alliant... 2400 has been around since Moby Dick was a sardine...

That is worth quoting.

You forgot to use the """""

"...Since Moby Dick was a Sardine"

John R · #11 01-12-2009, 04:10 PM

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Originally posted by czakjm:
Alliant... 2400 has been around since Moby Dick was a sardine...

That's great!!!!!!!

CMcDermott · #12 01-12-2009, 10:23 PM

If you look at the latest load manuals you'll see that Alliant 2400 is a little faster that the old Hercules 2400, and the loads have been reduced to compensate for the change in the powder.

Paul5388 · #13 01-12-2009, 10:45 PM

I have serious doubts that 2400 is anything other than what it has always been. Alliant would be opening themselves to a rash of lawsuits that calamine lotion wouldn't cure, if they changed it.

Everyone doesn't have access to the latest and greatest loading manuals and there certainly hasn't been any mention of a change on their website.

Gun 4 Fun · #14 01-12-2009, 11:06 PM

Brian Pearce from Handloader Magazine, talks about 2400 being faster than the stuff in the '70's was all the time. He rarely fails to mention it when he lists loads for 2400. Same goes with John taffin.FWIW

Paul5388 · #15 01-13-2009, 12:30 AM

The esteemed writers may think that's the case, but I haven't found it to be true in what I've loaded and clocked. I've also heard many say the same. It's still the same as it has always been, which I think is Alliant's saying too.

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Our Mission: Premium Performance, Consistent Quality

Every container of Alliant smokeless powder is backed by a century of manufacturing experience and the most exacting quality control procedures in the industry. We check and control chemical composition, the shape and size of powder grains, even the propellants' density and porosity. We send samples of every batch to our ballistics lab, testing for burning speed, among other things. Then, after blending batches together for exactly the right ballistic characteristics, we use our advanced computerized equipment to test again.

The result: a line of products known and respected for consistent quality and performance — not only in the lab, but especially on the firing line. After all, one of the reasons you're a reloader is so you'll know exactly what to expect every time you pull the trigger. With Alliant powders you will. Not only shell after shell, but also year after year.

czakjm · #16 01-13-2009, 02:34 AM

Didn't Alliant issue an alert some months ago about recent batches of Blue Dot not to be used in a 357 Mag load with 125gr bullets, and not to use it in the 41 Mag for any load !? (really bizarre) Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe thats basically what Alliant said on their website...and isn't there a more recent warning or recall for batches of Unique...something about maybe Bullseye powder in canisters with a Unique label (They must've hired Stevie Wonder for quality control)...

Perhaps the best answer to OCD1's question: Is 2400 a new powder?...Not yet.

johngalt · #17 01-13-2009, 06:30 AM

Modern Unique loads have been reduced a lot from the old days, but I've never heard anyone claim that Unique is faster than it was.

I think the reduced loads are due to lawyers, not changes in the powder.

bogman · #18 01-13-2009, 04:51 PM

Unique, & 2400 are my only powders. both work great with lead bullets.

Shuz · #19 01-13-2009, 06:07 PM

For those of you who think that the burning rate of 2400 has changed, contact Alliant and see what they say. I did.

Paul5388 · #20 01-13-2009, 06:55 PM

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For those of you who think that the burning rate of 2400 has changed, contact Alliant and see what they say. I did.

And they said?

Shuz · #21 01-14-2009, 04:56 PM

I was told that the burning rate had not changed. That was good enuf for me. I have my own idea concerning why the more recent reloading data on 2400 is more "conservative". In this litigious society that we live in, companies want to minimize their risk from idiots who want to push the limits.
FWIW 22g of 2400 and 429421, Elmer's old load, still appears safe in my 629 Classic DX as the cases push out quite easily. However, I do not see the need for that much power and punishment and have dropped back to 18g.