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Default Sellier and Bellot 9x19 brass question

I found a bunch of S&B 9x19 brass at the range. It appears to be once fired as it still has the red/sealed primers.

I have used a lot of their loaded ammo in .380 auto in the past but have never seen 9mm marked only 9x19??

There is no Luger or Parabellum marking just:

S&B 80 9x19

I checked with a magnet to be sure it was not brass coated steel which some of there ammo is.

To me it looks fine to reload. Any thoughts or comments?
Do other European companies just mark brass 9x19?
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Not sure about the S&B 9x19 brass but I recently picked up some once-fired S&B 357 mag brass. I haven't shot the reloads yet but I had an issue with reloading them. The primer pocket opening was not chamfered at all. I ended up using a deburring tool to knock the sharp edge off. I had never had to do that with any type of brass before. Sort of a pain in the rear, but I'm low on 357 mag brass.
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I've picked up a lot of 9MM S&B brass in the past. I don't remember how it was head-stamped, but I found the primer pockets to be tight.

Now I don't even pick the stuff up - there's plenty of Winchester and Remington brass laying around to supply my reloading needs.
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Yes, I have also noticed the tight primer pockets on their brass. I took all be 357 SB brass and chamfered them. I use a hand primer and can tell whenever I hit a SB piece of brass. The Winchester primers go in easier than CCI. I just bought some Wolf SPP and have not tried them yet.
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S&B seems to mark their brass with different markings than other manufacturers. For instance i was going through some range pick up brass and found some S&B 9mm Br. C., which stands for 9mm Browning Court which is the same cartridge as the 9mm kurz or .380 auto. I'm with everybody else though, there stuff is not the best to reload, but if it's what i have then i use it. Your stuff should be fine.
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Be careful and give them a close look. I got about 1k mixed range brass a while back that contained 100 or so S&B. All had similar headstamps, but 3 or 4 of them were berdan primed. Good way to break your decapping rod!
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Normally at the range I shoot at, there is no brass to be found, that's why it was unusual to find more than 100 rds of this. I at first thought it was 9 x18 Makarov but put my glasses on and checked each piece. S&B has been making ammo since the 1800"s, I always found their loaded ammo to work fine, maybe a bit dirty.
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"9x19mm" is a standard designation for 9mm "Luger", "Parabellum", etc.

Absent any other factors, it should be alright to reload.
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I've loaded 1000s of rounds of 9x19 Luger ammo using S&B brass. No problems.
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9x19 = 9 Luger = 9 Para = 9mm = 9 Parabellum
9x18 = 9 Mak = 9 makarov
9x17 = .380 = 9 Browning Court = 9 Kurz = 380 ACP

Did I miss any?

I use a lot of S&B brass for plinking loads with no issues. For serious stuff I try to go back to Win or Federal brass.
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I load lots of S&B in 9 and 45. As noted, primer pockets are tight the first time around. The do loosen with repetition.
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I have loaded some S&B brass in both 9mm and 45 ACP. The primer pocket appear tight due to a lack of bevel on the edge of the rpimer pocket. Winchester primers work better for me than the Federal primers in these cases.
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I loaded up 100 rds. I beveled the primer pockets a bit first. It was still a little tough to seat the Wolf primers with the RCBS hand tool.
I will see how the work in a day or so but think the brass will be left at the range as I do not feel like messing with the pockets any more.
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I've never had any problem reloading S&B brass, but I admit I've not reloaded S&B 9mm.
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I've loaded 1000s of rounds of 9x19 Luger ammo using S&B brass. No problems.
+1 Never had a problem that I can recall.
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In my experience, their .38 Special has the tightest primer pockets and I no longer pick them up at the range. I never had any problems with their 9mm or .45 ACP. I have some of their older .45 ACP brass which seats all the primers nicely just below flush. I have loaded this stuff numerous times for my match ammo in the 625. Also, their boxer primed steel .223 cases are excellent for reloading and are frequently the object of my attention when dumpster diving.

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9x19 = 9 Luger = 9 Para = 9mm = 9 Parabellum
9x18 = 9 Mak = 9 makarov
9x17 = .380 = 9 Browning Court = 9 Kurz = 380 ACP

Did I miss any?
Last time I counted, there were ELEVEN different 9mm cartridges still extant. Some, like the Makarov, are NOT 9mm (9.3mm), but are called 9mm, while others ARE 9mm but have different names (like 38 ACP).

Sizes range from 9X17 through 9X23, with some sizes having different pressure loadings, but the same external dimensions.

In addition to the eleven, there are the overpressure loadings designed for competition guns only, like the "major 9mm."

It's not safe anymore (if it ever was) to pick up somebody's lost 9mm off the range and fire it.
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It's not safe anymore (if it ever was) to pick up somebody's lost 9mm off the range and fire it.
That's a bit of an overstatement, don't you think? Do a little search for something called "hoop stress". Smaller diameter cases are very robust.

The only real problem I've had with range 9mm (9x19) was some NATO head stamp with overly processed primer pockets. Seating bullets created enough internal pressure to unseat primers.
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That's a bit of an overstatement, don't you think? Do a little search for something called "hoop stress". Smaller diameter cases are very robust.

The only real problem I've had with range 9mm (9x19) was some NATO head stamp with overly processed primer pockets. Seating bullets created enough internal pressure to unseat primers.
I was referring to lost 9mm CARTRIDGES, not empty 9mm brass.
Point being that you cannot be sure it is safe to fire in your gun just because it goes in, since there are so many loadings of different pressure , same size case..
You really don't want to put a 9 X19 Luger cartridge into an Italian 9X 19 Glisenti pistol, or 38 Super into 38 ACP (both are true 9mm), or 9X18mm Ultra cartridges into a 9 X18 Makarov, and so on..

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I was referring to lost 9mm CARTRIDGES, not empty 9mm brass.
Oops. My bad.
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Well, the 100 rds I loaded with 115 gr plated bullets, HP38 and Wolf primers all worked fine.
Even though I beveled the primer pockets, I threw them in the recycle bucket. Not worth the hassle. I think I have enough empty 9mm brass
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