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Old 09-17-2010, 06:11 PM
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I traded into this 4th Model a few days ago and only know what was published in the S&WSC. It is a blued 6" and in good condition, 75 to 80% at a guess. The grips are some sort of pearl. I would appreciate any and all info, opinions, experiences, etc that members might have. Thanks in advance. o photos yet.
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I'm no expert, but I know what I like. I've got a couple with 4" barrels, one blue and one nickel. Both are good shooters, and fit my small hands well. Been using commercial .32 S&W ammo.
That 6" ought to have some great accuracy, if you have young enough eyes to focus on the sights. I've just got the cheapo factory
stocks on mine; don't know if the MOP are fragile or not.
They're fine firearms. Sure would like to see a pictures of that 6"er.
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.32 Double Actions are neat little guns, as are the Safety Hammerless ones. You can get current .32 S&W ammo (not .32 long) and use it as it is very mild. You will be amazed by the accuracy of it.
The DA is a 5th Model, and the Safety Hammerless is a 3rd Model.


Then there are the .32 Single Actions. They are both Mod. 1 1/2 (CF) 2nd Issue, the Blue one has the Red Mottled stocks which were only put on Blued guns.



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Hello Tetvet,
As you are probably aware the 6 inch barrel is somewhat scarce. I see them for sale, but not often. An indicator of how hard they are to find is the fact that the boxes are almost impossible to come by. To me an indicator of scarcity of the antique and C&R guns is the number of boxes you see in collections or for sale. I can't remember the last time I saw a 6 inch box for a 32 Double Action or for a 32 Safety Hammerless that was for sale. Neat gun!
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If your 32 DA are really factory installed four inch barrels they are special order guns and very rare. Get them lettered.
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Many thanks for the replies. Hope to have photos in a few days.
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I hope the image isn't too big. I have since found a set of what I think are original grips. Really neat little gun and my first venture into these type weapons.
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Hello again Tetvet68,
That is a very nice find. You probably already know that it's a 4th model. The pearl grips may or may not be original. The factory didn't start putting the medallions into the grips until the mid to late 1890s. If yours was shipped earlier than that the grips would be the correct type. But, they don't appear to me to fit well enough to be factory grips for that particular gun. The factory workers were truely artisans during that period and each set of grips was fitted to the gun. The picture makes it difficult to be sure, but they don't look like a good fit to me.
They may be original to another S&W DA though. One thing to look for in factory pearls of that era is thickness and weight. I have several sets of early non medallion grips that I'm 99% sure are Factory pearls and each one is very thick and heavy. If you compare them to later pearls that were put on other manufactures guns the diferance is very apparant.
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Mark, thanks for the info. It's very helpful anf informative. The pearl grips indeel are not a "perfect" fit and they are pretty light weight. I put the black (bakelite?) on the gun and the looks are sure improved. It's a really neat little gun & we have it on a stand in a curio cabinet.
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I am not trying to hijack the thread, but can anyone give me an idea what a Model 4 (not sure if it is 4" or 6") would be worth?
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Not trying to hijack the thread either, but does anyone have a contact for parts for one of these Model 4 in 32 S&W ?? If I could find a cylinder stop with the leaf spring attached, I could make mine shoot again.
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My name is George and I just joined the group.

I have a old nickel S&W (Top Break Down) .38, 4" with a
SN on the one piece frame (butt) of "I 54".

The 5 shot cylinder ID is 3821.

This revolver belonged to a older friend who is now decessed. He told me that the revolver belonged to his Father who was a Police Officer in New York City in the earley 1900's.

I hope someone can help me. I am attempting to develop the history of my friends Father and his S&W revolver. I intend to turn the revolver and history over the my Friend's grandson.








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I was able to find out that the Top-Break CTG is an S&W .38 SW DA 4", SN is 3821. The Frame ID is I 54 (Police regulation). I just sent for a Letter of Authenticity.
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You have a .38 Double Action Perfected Model. It is the last top break revolver introduced. It is the only one that has both a top latch and a cylinder release on the side. These were mfg. between 1909 and 1920. The S/N would be the 3821 listed on the cylinder, and it should be on the bottom of the gun butt, but you would have to remove those grips to see it. If the grips are original to the gun, the S/N may be stamped or written inside the right grip panel. With that 4 digit number, I would guess 1910 - 1911. Those grips are probably not original to the gun, they are I Frame Targets, such as would be on a 22/32 Target, or a Single Shot. Since these were from the same time period, it may have been possible for them to have been a special order. Only a letter from the Historian could tell. The condition of your gun appears to be excellent, especially the grips. A letter from the Historian would tell you when the gun was shipped from the factory, who it was shipped to, and in what configuration, (if the target grips were original). Who the gun was shipped to would most likely be a distributor through the gun was ordered, however it it possible it was shipped to an individual in that time frame.
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Thanks for info. The right grip is hard to read. 6 figures. - 4 0 - 31, where "-" is hard to read. The leftmost - looks like a 9. The rightmost - looks like some kind of graphic. (upside down Y.

I sent for a Letter.
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I am not sure if I am in the correct forum for parts for a s&w 32 double action 4th model revolver. I am looking for a cylinder stop.
The pistol is a S&W .32 Double Action 4th Model made from 1883 to 1909. Based on serial # was made about 1886 or 7.

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Probably the best way to find parts for these old Smiths is to keep a few parts guns around. I like the ones with the bulged barrels. . .super cheap but all the parts are usually there.
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Dr. B - Do you know a good place to find a "parts gun" ?
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Hold on guys - please start your own threads. It is very confusing to add to another poster's thread and should not be done. Just click on the "New Thread" button and start something new.

Getting back to the OPs gun. Yes they are scarce, but I have never seen the numbers produced. If I were to venture a guess using the SWCA database and observation, I would say 10%, which could be about 30,000 made but I don't think that is the case. 10,000, however, would not be out of the realm of possibility. I think they are priceless, but I like all long barreled S&Ws. If you supply the serial number, we can determine if those stocks could be original or not. The gold medallion pearl stocks started around 1893 and if your gun was produced earlier, it is likely that the pearls came with the gun. You can normally tell by looking closely at the fit, since all guns were hand finished and the stocks fitted to each revolver produced. If the seams are perfect, it is also a good indication that they are factory.

As for value, the 32 DA does not get much money, even in great condition. A comparison might be to look at mine bought at auction 2 years ago that cost $210. Problem is you do not see these for sale often enough to judge value.

Pictures below are of the 6" and a recently acquired 2" cut barrel. Oh - - I like snubbie top-breaks too . . .
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