I was thinking this would be a good way to find the barrel your frame has been missing or find the frame for your barrel.
If you would list the barrel number, length, caliber and finish...
Latches or sight numbers.... maybe we can help people find the second barrel to their sets, or pieces that went missing years ago!

These are a few barrels I have time to list just now.

*New listing*

*#3799 10 in. Blued, .22 RF Single Line Address marked 2nd Model, matching latch and complete.

*#18183 Latch

#2642 8 in. 95% Nickel, .22RF barrel marked "Modelof91" no latch or rear sight but with insert and ejector. The side is marked .22 Long Rifle Ctg. and factory front sight with 1/3rd cut away.

#33 6 in. 99% Nickel, .32 S&W barrel marked "Modelof91" no latch or rear sight, cam or ejector. Does have the insert.

#9 6 in. 97% Blue, .38 S&W caliber. "Modelof91" marked and last patd. date May 11 1880. Flat Bottom Lug like a third model.

#20735 6 in. 99% Nickel, .22 LONG RIFLE CTG. marked "Modelof91"

#23457 10 in. 95% Blue, .22 LONG RIFLE CTG. marked "Modelof91"

#14067 6 in. 98% Nickel, .32 S&W caliber marked "Modelof91" and is listed in the book as .32

#14019 6 in. 99% Factory Reblue, .32 S&W LONG caliber, with a matted top rib

#14004 6 in. Nickel, .38 S&W cal. marked "Modelof91" and an O stamped
***14004 was matched with frame 14004***

# 14161 6 in. 98% Blue, .38 S&W cal. marked "Modelof91" Flat Bottom Lug

# 13991 6 in. 98% Nickel, 32 LONG but no caliber markings. Barrel is marked "Modelof91" , matching latch. This number is listed in the book as a .38 S&W caliber.

# 21956 8 in. 60% Blue, .22 LR Barrel marked "Modelof91" complete with matching latch

#5014 10 in. 80% Blue, .22 RF Barrel with 3rd model flat lug barrel bottom.

# 15062 10 in. Blued, ( .25 Stevens? ) it is .25 cal. with "Modelof91" markings.

Latches of numbers 13987, 19510, * 21966 and 23458 on others that do not match.
****** 21966 frame found and latch is on it's way to the rightful owner******

If you have any of these numbers, please PM me.

Terry

These are a few of the mismatched Model of 91 Single Shot frame and barrel numbers:

1st Model SS frame # 17861 with barrel # 16793 .22 LR 6 in. 85% Blue, with matching latch.

1st Model SS frame # 22174 with barrel # 2205 .22 LR 6 in. 85% Blue

1st Model SS frame # 23837 with matching barrel .22 Olympic Chamber 10 in. with 2nd Model markings...MISSING original LATCH

If you have any of these serial numbers, please PM me.
Thanks,
Terry

The three barrels I noted earlier are all 98/99/100%---or thereabouts. All have the "little gizzie" that fits in the hinge (complete with spring) that causes the ejector mechanism to function-----------by whatever more proper term it may be called.

Ralph Tremaine

Third model Single shot #8694. 8" barrel #3844.

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H Richard
SWCA1967 SWHF244

What happened in the 14xxx range? My mis-matched barrel is 14043. Judging from the listed serial numbers, there appears to be a predominance of 'extra' barrels in that range. Mike #283

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Mike Maher #283

If anyone is interested...

There is a Straight Line barrel (loose barrel only) up for auction, to bid later tonight at a popular firearms auction site that starts with a G.

Try searching "Straight line pistol parts barrel".

It looks to be somewhat of a beater, with a questionable history, but this is such an unusual/far & few item that I thought I'd mention it here.

Apparently this is a close-out from an old gunsmith. They have some other interesting parts auctioning, as well. I hope someone here can use it.

Good Luck

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Mitch
SWCA 2438

It looks like the .32 and .38's may have gotten really well known around that time. A few complete Single Shots of mine are in the 14,000 range and in those calibers.

Terry

Third model #10633; 10" Olympic barrel;with matching # latch. A 8" barrel with smooth rib;# 23842 latch; third model flat bottom. Niether barrel has a serial number.

Glad this thread helped to match a latch with the same frame number.



Does that make you happy Kurt?

Terry

opps... double post

Hello Terry

It sure does and it does not get any better than this. This is a testament to not give up the hope of reuniting your gun with the part's it left the factory with. I bought my gun out of Reno, Nevada, Poster Terry Lives in Eastern North Carolina and I am in Eastern Tennessee so who knows how these parts ever got separated or where they have been in their 104 Year life span ? This is Truly Amazing to me. I would also suggest other's of this forum get involved with Listing their spare Miss Matched single shot target Pistol parts in hopes of them being about to work out a swap of Miss Matched parts like Terry & I have done here to reunite a gun with it's original serial numbered Parts. Terry is a hard core True collector of these and Passionate enough to openly share his spare parts and Knowledge with others, he deserves the Higest praise for this and I am glad to be an associate member with him in the S&WCA as this is what can come out of it between associate mebers of such a fine Organization. Thanks again Terry, Your sight latch leaves here today as well, Your are Awesome, and so are you for sharing with us Miss Matched crowd of the Single shot Pistols Parts On Lee's Open forum !!!! Hammerdown

Well... Just picked up a mis-match with frame # 9945. This one is in the same serial number range as the 1st Model Single Shot and letters as a 3rd Model .38 Single Action with a 3.25 inch barrel. Missing the barrel, cylinder, and latch for the #9945 frame.

The mis-matched parts are # 71477 on latch, cylinder, and barrel with Pat'd Jan 17 & 24 65, July 11, 65 Aug 24, 69 July 25, 71. May 11, 1880 on the top of the barrel. 5 shot .38 top break and was nickel.

Terry

Someone was looking for this thread to add information??

I have a barrel/cylinder combo with the following serial numbers:
Frame 10822
Cylinder 35
Latch 1857
Thanks Terry!

I just picked up a 3rd Model Single Shot with the Barrel, Latch, & Extractor all numbered 9906 - which does not match the frame S/N. Anybody know the whereabouts of S/N 9906 ?

The barrel is 10" & blued.

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Mitch
SWCA 2438

Why were so many of these mis-matched?

Was this something the Factory did? Or..?

Anyway, I have one, I will dig it out and look at the serial No. on the Barrel, Frame and Latch and report back.

Oyeboteb
There seems to be several reasons these barrels were mixed in numbers to the frames. The main reason, I am thinking, was that extra barrels were made and sold at a later date. Some of these barrels were switched out at the factory when other calibers were ordered. Then the original barrel that was already numbered to a frame in stock was placed back in stock. Later when someone ordered a 1st model single, say around 19,000 and up, the earlier numbered barrel was mated with the later number frame and shipped. Now, this is not the case with all mis-matched but it did happen with some.
Some have also said that when a barrel was sent to H.M. Pope, it may have been switched with another already modified barrel and sent back.
Others were mis-matched because the shooter liked another barrels accuracy and switched it at that time on the range, maybe selling off the original numbered part to another shooter.
These are some statements I have heard and there could be many other facts to add to this wonder.

Others may step in with more information as time goes on.

Terry Wagner

Hello Terry
Excellent Information, thanks for sharing it with us here. I have been told by my friend Ralph Tremaine who is also an associate S&WCA member who collect's these single shots that the Non-Serial numbered Barrels were "Accessory barrels" sold to owners of existing single shot pistols. I guess if you got a . 22 Caliber barrel with your pistol you could have gotten the extra . 32 S&W and . 38 S&W caliber barrels at a Later date and Perhaps that is why we see these barrels with no serial numbers, or latch assemblies with different serial numbers. In the case of my second variation single shot, it came to me with a 6" . 22 Caliber barrel that has no serial number on it, and it had a Miss Matched serial numbered latch assembly on it. Because of you having my Guns original serial numbered barrel Latch assembly and swapping with me, I was able to reunite the gun with it's original serial numbered latch that it shipped out of the factory with. At this time I have not actually lettered the gun, but it would be interesting to me to know what length barrel it shipped out of the factory with, and if they perhaps just did not stamp the barrel with the guns serial number or if perhaps it was ordered with a different caliber barrel on it and that this 6" . 22 LR barrel I bought it with may have been an extra barrel that the owner ordered at a Later date ?






Ralph was Kind enough to furnish me with Five extra barrels for my single shot pistol that were in different stages of completion. Two of the barrel's were of .38 S&W caliber and both had factory address stamps on top of the barrels and caliber stamps on the side of the barrel but both lacked their front sights, Extractor Cams, Cartridge extractors and rear latch assemblies. Neither of those barrel's were serial numbered and one was still in the white as shown. I also got two .32 S&W barrels. One was a 6" Length the other an 8" length barrel. Both were blued but lacked serial numbers, front sights and rear latches, But the 8" example had it's extractor and extractor cam in place. The last barrel I got is the Prized Olympic chamber barrel. It was of 10" Length with no serial numbers as well and lacked any Barrel stampings what so ever. It had it's extractor in place but it was froze up and not operable and was still in the white, Lacking it's front sight, latch assembly & Extractor Cam. Oddly you could see on some of these barrels where they had been factory roll mark stamped, but it looked as though the stampings had been ground off them. I suspect they were made up, then found to have cosmetic flaws, so perhaps this is why they lacked being finished or their roll mark stamps lacking ?







I had David Chicoine of Gastonia, North Carolina finish my Olympic chamber barrel along with my 8" . 32 S&W caliber barrel and he fitted them to my frame. He had to place the front sights in both barrels along with the sight latch assemblies, then he finished the Olympic barrel by Polishing and bluing it taking it from the white. They both function well and are very accurate once he finished with them and I am very glad to have them as tough as these single shot barrels are to locate. Here is what the five barrels looked like when I got them from Ralph Tremaine before they were sent to David Chicoine, and how the Two extra barrels turned out that he finished for me being the Olympic chamber .22 Barrel along with the 8" .32 S&W caliber barrel. . In speculating on their existence I assume they were left over barrels that the S&W factory sold after they discontinued these pistols, as none were finished nor serial numbered.. Regards, Hammerdown

I am not sure what happened to the single shots in the 14,000 range but I have found one more to add to the list. It is a six inch .32 single shot barrel with serial number 14149. The book shows this serial number was sold as a .22 single shot.

This one is in a nickel finish and was part of the barrels sold off as scrap metal.

This is not the only numbered barrel I have found that was said to have been a serial number for another caliber single shot when sold.

Was it removed and a .22 installed in place of the original configuration?

Was the .22 barrel number in this case?

This may explain why there are a good number of NO NUMBER BARRELS mounted on frames out there, but the finish and wear look as if the combination have been together forever.

Any ideas???

Terry Wagner

No ideas---just another mystery! I have #14272, an 8" .32---a complete, all numbers match pistol. It letters as a 10" .22!

The good news is the letter says the .22 is blue. The .32 is too!

Close enough, I guess.

Ralph Tremaine

Ralph,

I have one very close to your number 14272.

The Model of 91 serial number 14261 is listed n the N & J book as a first model .32 cal. single shot, but also has another single shot barrel numbered to the gun in .38 caliber. The .32 is a six inch and the .38 is 8 inches.

I will be sending for a factory letter soon to see if those records match the book and also as it exist.

Terry Wagner

Now that's a pretty spiffy outfit! I was hoping for something like that when I bought my .32. (I knew something was ka-ka before I bought it. It wasn't listed as a.32 in N&J----no problem. It WAS listed there as a .22---problem! I figured it was a "typo"----it wasn't. I hoped it was a .22 shipped with an extra .32 barrel---it wasn't.)

It appears (to me) to be a completely authentic, original gun. Jinks has examined it, and concurs. I'm happy---not as happy as I might be; but stuff happens. Only the Lord only knows what happened here! (I asked Him about it, but He didn't say one way or another!)

Ralph Tremaine

Frame # 18174 Blue
Barrel # 21923 Blue
Latch # 843

Hello
Wow, I have frame number 2196X real close to your mis matched barrel But No Cigar... I did find the Original serial numbered latch last year from this thread and it is now reunited with the gun, it was in the next state to the east of me and the gun was bought 1700 Miles away from my home state. I am Keeping my finger's corssed that someone may list my original Barrel... Hammerdown

Maybe we can keep this post close to the top so others can find it again...I thanks those who helped me find it....

Frame # 20899 Blue First Model
Barrel # 15433 Polished
Latch # 15433

Daniel
SWCA 2471

Added barrel # 3799 in 10 inch .22 and a latch # 18183 to my 2nd post.

Thought it might be a good time to bring this old thread back alive!

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