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Old 08-30-2014, 06:35 AM
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Looking at a 44 1st model double action but I think it may be refinished. It's an early 5 inch 44 Russian nickel gun and has black rubber grips with the serial number scratched inside. Overall the gun looks almost too nice. No buggered screws, some case color left on the hammer and trigger and the bore looks great. My concern is that there is some minor pitting on the side of the barrel and by the front sight. The nickel isn't flaked off so it seems that pitting may have been refinished over? Also some places on the side of the frame have almost an orange peel look to the finish but not flaking off. Still very shiny. Four digit serial number and priced at $1500. Seems high for a refinish but not for an original finish. No markings on the frame under the grips so I'm assuming a non factory refinish. Sorry but no pics available. I'm new to the older Smith's so any help on what to look for would be appreciated.
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How the sideplate fit? (Should be a very thin line with no sign of rounding of the edges.) How are the various pin heads? (flat or domed) Is the extractor star nickled or blued?

Awfully difficult to evaluate without pictures...
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Unfortunately, the answer is that no one can state with certainty that a gun they cannot see is refinished or not. If there are any pits on the surface that are filled with nickel, the gun is refinished. Often, the metal surface under the stocks will show evidence of pitting and refinish. Sometimes, looking around at the bottom side of the top-frame, the front of the recoil shield, front face of the cylinder, and the forcing cone area will give strong indications on refinish, since even those areas received great attention to detail when the gun was manufactured. Usually black powder will pit those areas over time and the metal surrounding the cylinder is very hard to properly refinish.

On the other hand, repair date stamps are estimated to be between 1910 to mid-1983, so the 44 DA could have been factory refinished before the turn of the century and put in a drawer.

As you describe the gun, I would suspect refinish, since almost all case coloring has to be rubbed off with in-use wear or abrasion and usually looks fresh on antique revolvers that have seen no use.

Value is another thing, most experienced collectors will not buy refinished guns at any price and your buyer will most likely be someone just starting out collecting various models at affordable prices, cowboy action shooters, or people who still like to take these old workhorses to the range. I had a refinished Model 1978 Colt 45 DA and 44 DA S&W that I had purchased years ago that each sold for around $1000 each less than 2 years ago.
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Thanks guys. The pins and screws all look good. The extractor star was nickel. Not sure if that is correct or not. I guess it's safe to assume it's a refinish. Very well done though. No corrosion showing from firing. Just on the end of the barrel as if it was laying on something or possibly stored in a holster. I'll probably pass.
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