My 'Ugly' American

model3sw · #51 11-21-2016, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SchofieldKid

Since deciding not to remove the frame pins, I can't show a pic of the cylinder stop in it's entirety, but I have pics of both ends and bottom. The hand was easy enough to photograph, even though I didn't remove it from the hammer assembly. If I understand the information I was sent (thanks mdl3sw) then I believe the cyl. stop and hand are correct for this 1st model. I'll defer to the more experienced on the forum to confirm that though, as I am very far from being considered knowledgeable on this subject. No numbers or other markings were observed on any of the internal parts. I assume there were none? I plan to leave the old pistol apart for a few days in case I need to provide a better or additional pics of anything inside it. Thanks for the help and comments guys, it's just what I needed.

Great job, "Kid" !

I just got home with SN: 1707. The screws are so clean and the side plate fits so perfectly it appears near seamless. Being that as it is, I'm going to admire it for a day or two before I remove the side plate.

1707 had only 707 visible, the " 1 " being obscured by the flange of the lanyard stud.

1707 is a 6" barrel with steel front sight and the vent hole (vent holes were stopped at appx SN 1500). ALL the assembly numbers match. It's so nice I am tempted to run a few rounds through it tomorrow, having never fired an American before in my life.

Hoping the Historical letter shows shipped to a person (ANY PERSON but would prefer a known person) rather than to MW Robinson.

As you know, MW Robinson was S&W's largest dealer / supplier / exporter of that time.

The historical trail of many nice old Model 3's end at MW Robinson.

SchofieldKid · #52 11-22-2016, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jleiper

Nice pictures! The cylinder stop and hammer are definitely early, but there is absolutely no way it would be the later type. As I said before, the trigger activated stop was introduced with the 2nd Model Russian in the Second Russian contract (contract of 15 Jan 1873). Your revolver was definitely produced before 1872.
The first Russian contract all have the older style hammer activated stop.
This change to the trigger activated stop was not added to the Commercial revolvers until sometime between serial 18634 and 19175.
Joe

Thank you for your detailed information Joe. It really helps me understand the chronology of the earlier Model 3's. With only a few books and scant knowledge of the subject, I'm learning quite a lot on the forum here. Once I decided to see what I had inside, and got the pistol apart, I realized that I didn't know what to look for in terms of correctness. You've helped solve that and I'm very happy with what I found both inside the pistol and here on the forum! My mind is now at ease about the originality of this gun. I may need your help-expertise when I examine my 2nd model commerical Russian (You've been Warned!

). Thanks again.

SchofieldKid · #53 11-22-2016, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by model3sw

Great job, "Kid" !

I just got home with SN: 1707. The screws are so clean and the side plate fits so perfectly it appears near seamless. Being that as it is, I'm going to admire it for a day or two before I remove the side plate.

1707 had only 707 visible, the " 1 " being obscured by the flange of the lanyard stud.

1707 is a 6" barrel with steel front sight and the vent hole (vent holes were stopped at appx SN 1500). ALL the assembly numbers match. It's so nice I am tempted to run a few rounds through it tomorrow, having never fired an American before in my life.

Hoping the Historical letter shows shipped to a person (ANY PERSON but would prefer a known person) rather than to MW Robinson.

As you know, MW Robinson was S&W's largest dealer / supplier / exporter of that time.

The historical trail of many nice old Model 3's end at MW Robinson.

Wow! THAT is a SCREAMER!!!!

Need more pics! Need more pics! Need more pics!
Just had a thought Sal, why don't we trade pistols so you won't have to worry about hurting the finish on 1707 if you shoot it? I'll even put mine back together for you! Congratulations indeed!

Did I mention--Need more pics! Need more pics! Need more....

model3sw · #54 12-01-2016, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SchofieldKid

Since deciding not to remove the frame pins, I can't show a pic of the cylinder stop in it's entirety, but I have pics of both ends and bottom. The hand was easy enough to photograph, even though I didn't remove it from the hammer assembly. If I understand the information I was sent (thanks mdl3sw) then I believe the cyl. stop and hand are correct for this 1st model. I'll defer to the more experienced on the forum to confirm that though, as I am very far from being considered knowledgeable on this subject. No numbers or other markings were observed on any of the internal parts. I assume there were none? I plan to leave the old pistol apart for a few days in case I need to provide a better or additional pics of anything inside it. Thanks for the help and comments guys, it's just what I needed.

I like it. When you're tired of it, let me know.