Smith & Wesson Forum

Advertise With Us Search
Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > Smith & Wesson Revolvers > S&W Antiques

Notices

S&W Antiques S&W Lever Action Pistols, Tip-Up Revolvers, ALL Top-Break Revolvers, and ALL Single Shots


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 04-03-2017, 06:22 PM
fadilbar fadilbar is offline
Member
Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone  
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Default Smith & Wesson unedintified clone

I have a S&W revolver clone that I don't know the maker.
Can you help me?


Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 04-03-2017, 06:32 PM
fadilbar fadilbar is offline
Member
Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone  
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Default

The S&W clone.

Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #3  
Old 04-03-2017, 06:33 PM
paragain paragain is offline
Member
Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone  
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Triad NC
Posts: 389
Likes: 689
Liked 753 Times in 169 Posts
Default

Welcome to the forum! I can't help but there is a lot of well informed folks here. Someone can surely help you.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 04-03-2017, 07:10 PM
deadin's Avatar
deadin deadin is offline
US Veteran
Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone  
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Ocean Shores, WA, USA
Posts: 5,783
Likes: 201
Liked 5,067 Times in 1,770 Posts
Default

What are the barrel markings? (If any)
Sometimes the only way to identify a "clone" is from the grip panels, which this one is missing....
__________________
Dean
SWCA #680 SWHF #446
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 04-03-2017, 07:42 PM
DWalt's Avatar
DWalt DWalt is online now
Member
Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone  
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: South Texas & San Antonio
Posts: 33,632
Likes: 241
Liked 29,144 Times in 14,091 Posts
Default

About all I can say is that if the barrel markings don't say S&W, then it is not a S&W. Most American makers of similar top-break revolvers (H&R, IJ, etc.) stamped something on theirs. Without any stampings, it's probably from somewhere outside the USA. Or they have been buffed off during refinishing.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 04-03-2017, 07:42 PM
2LtCal's Avatar
2LtCal 2LtCal is offline
Member
Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone  
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 35
Likes: 11
Liked 23 Times in 9 Posts
Default

Could be a Guisasola Hermanos. They seem to have made a great many S&W copies. I believe they were specifically mention in a lawsuit by Smith & Wesson.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 04-03-2017, 08:01 PM
mmaher94087 mmaher94087 is offline
SWCA Member
Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone  
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Arizona
Posts: 3,586
Likes: 4
Liked 2,515 Times in 1,306 Posts
Default

I agree with the above; Guisasola Hermanos. Very good copies and quality too.
__________________
Mike Maher #283
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #8  
Old 04-03-2017, 08:27 PM
walkin' trails walkin' trails is offline
Member
Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone  
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,173
Likes: 1,771
Liked 548 Times in 311 Posts
Default

My dad has a similar one that was passed for. To him. The only markings are 44-40 and "Spain."
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 04-03-2017, 08:47 PM
Absalom's Avatar
Absalom Absalom is offline
SWCA Member
Absent Comrade
Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone  
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Oregon
Posts: 12,834
Likes: 10,103
Liked 27,996 Times in 8,452 Posts
Default

At least according to "Pistols of the World", Guisasola Hermanos was only active in Eibar/Spain in the 1920s, and known for their copy of the S&W Military & Police. Their trademark (see attached) looks different from the fairly elaborate snake imagery on the OP's gun, too, which indicates an older manufacture.

There were so many arms makers in and around Eibar that it is difficult to pin many of these Spanish copies down. Nobody so far seems to have undertaken the effort to catalog all the trademarks. I believe one of the problems is that a lot of the records were lost in the chaos of the Spanish Civil War.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_4421.JPG (62.9 KB, 35 views)
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #10  
Old 04-03-2017, 10:55 PM
JSR III's Avatar
JSR III JSR III is offline
SWCA Member
Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone  
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Massachusetts USA
Posts: 9,596
Likes: 3,711
Liked 8,951 Times in 3,558 Posts
Default

Welcome to the forum.

A larger close up photo of the marking would be helpful. Unfortunately by using a hosting site, I was unable to enlarge the photo.

Try using the MANAGE ATTACHMENTS button below any reply box and upload a photo directly from your computer. Or if that is not doable, try taking a closeup.
__________________
James Redfield
LM #497
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 04-04-2017, 01:10 AM
Absalom's Avatar
Absalom Absalom is offline
SWCA Member
Absent Comrade
Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone  
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Oregon
Posts: 12,834
Likes: 10,103
Liked 27,996 Times in 8,452 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JSR III View Post
Welcome to the forum.

A larger close up photo of the marking would be helpful. Unfortunately by using a hosting site, I was unable to enlarge the photo.

Try using the MANAGE ATTACHMENTS button below any reply box and upload a photo directly from your computer. Or if that is not doable, try taking a closeup.
Here you go. For some reason, the pics in the OP's first post opened for me with no problem. Usually, I'm the one who can get nothing to work .
Attached Images
File Type: jpg spanish tm.JPG (66.9 KB, 78 views)
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #12  
Old 04-04-2017, 07:45 AM
red9 red9 is online now
SWCA Member
Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone  
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Virginia
Posts: 1,179
Likes: 1,052
Liked 2,547 Times in 462 Posts
Default

GUNMARKS (a great reference for logos) identifies that trademark as Garate, Anitua y Cia of Eibar.

Bob
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Like Post:
  #13  
Old 04-04-2017, 08:55 AM
Absalom's Avatar
Absalom Absalom is offline
SWCA Member
Absent Comrade
Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone  
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Oregon
Posts: 12,834
Likes: 10,103
Liked 27,996 Times in 8,452 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by red9 View Post
GUNMARKS (a great reference for logos) identifies that trademark as Garate, Anitua y Cia of Eibar.

Bob
Very good. That would also explain the older model type of gun. That company was one of the larger arms makers in Eibar. In my list of gunmakers there from 1914 they are listed with 200 employees. The company was founded in 1848, and a descendent business seems to still operate, although not in guns. Like a lot of arms makers, in the mid-1920s they expanded their offerings to non-gun goods; GAC seems to have switched to bicycles and mopeds.

They built all kinds of pistols and revolver copies, and also the El Tigre copy of the Winchester 92.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #14  
Old 04-04-2017, 01:19 PM
fadilbar fadilbar is offline
Member
Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone  
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Default

You are fabulous. Thanks to all.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 04-04-2017, 05:39 PM
DWalt's Avatar
DWalt DWalt is online now
Member
Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone Smith & Wesson unedintified clone  
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: South Texas & San Antonio
Posts: 33,632
Likes: 241
Liked 29,144 Times in 14,091 Posts
Default

The frame stamping indeed is from Garate, Anitua y Cia. An interesting side note is that the same company produced many copies of the top break S&W .44 DA revolver chambered in .455 which the British purchased for their use during WWI. I have seen several of them.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Smith and Wesson Model 36 Clone, A Rossi Model 68 Imported by Interarms lordhelpmeseewithtrijicon Firearms & Knives: Other Brands & General Gun Topics 16 06-02-2016 10:56 PM
It's Official: Now I Am A Real Smith And Wesson Forum Member-First Smith And Wesson! Nelson Kyle K Smith & Wesson M&P Pistols 19 03-09-2013 03:53 PM
FS: Smith and Wesson 4506-1 (price reduction), Smith and Wesson 5946 **SOLD** jsg34 GUNS - For Sale or Trade 3 02-23-2012 01:28 AM
WTS: Smith and Wesson 642 38 Special- no lock, Smith and Wesson 629 Classic ohnas GUNS - For Sale or Trade 5 08-22-2010 12:02 PM
Smith clone TOMCBMW S&W Antiques 1 07-02-2009 01:20 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:29 AM.


Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)