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Old 05-12-2017, 01:15 AM
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Hello ladies and gentlemen. I'll go right to the point. I am trying to import this family relic and I am having trouble identifying it as a Smith and Wesson Model 3 or an Irven Johnson's for the purposes of an ATF Form 6. Would any of you please assist me with your knowledge. Thank you.
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Here are more pictures. Please help. This old gun has a lot of sentimental value and I really want to import it. In order to do that, I have to id it correctly to the ATF.
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Barrel markings?

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Definitely not a S&W. Originally, almost all gun makers stamped the top rib of the barrel with the company's name. It could be worn away or removed when the gun was refinished.

H&R, Iver Johnson, Forehand & Wadsworth, and Hopkins & Allen are a few of the makers of Double Action revolvers. Usually, the stocks will have initials or an image, making is easier to ID, but those stocks are handmade replacements.
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Your photos are a little too far away and it would be good if you had one of the right side.

From what you have shown I would have to agree that it is not a S&W. Are there any marking on the top or side of the barrel?
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Thank you gentlemen for your help. I will request my father for closer pictures of the barrel. All sides.

Yes, those handles are hand made...

I will post pics soon. Please keep an eye out. Thank you again.
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I think it is one of the many Spanish imitations of the Smith & Wesson Double Action.

Where are you importing it from?

Dollar value is very low, it must have great sentimental attraction to be worth the expense of individual importation.
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As said above, it is not a Smith & Wesson, nor an Iver Johnson or Hopkins & Allen. It may be a foreign made copy or one of the lesser American makers of inexpensive firearms, circa 1900-1935. The style of hammer, trigger and cylinder stop notches are indicative of a foreign make. What is the caliber? Ed.
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It has a lot of features in common with this Spanish "Fuskaro".38 of indeterminate age:

https://image.invaluable.com/housePh...-L48226387.jpg

Fuskaro is almost certainly a misreading of the Basque word Euskaro, which is a form of the word the Basques apply to their own language and culture. The Esprin brothers (Esprin Hermanos) of the gun-making Eibar region produced revolvers associated with the name. I don't know if Euskaro would be considered a brand name or just a nationalistic designation tacked onto the primary Hermanos Esprin factory identity.

The frame modeling and contouring as well as the stud and screw positions seem identical between your gun and the photo I link to. The hammer spur profile and trigger guard shape are a little off, but those are pieces on which a precise configuration is not necessary for the revolver to function.

Maybe you can get to a firm identity from internet searches for both "Fuskaro" and "Euskaro" along with "Esprin" and "revolver."

Good luck with your efforts to identify the gun to the extent that will allow its import.
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Sorry for the delay posting extra pictures, gentlemen. Work was particularly absorbing this week. Here are some more pictures... they are closer show some markings... a number "82" on the barrel... I hope this helps you to help me. I really appreciate it.
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Here are some more pictures...
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By the way, the revolver is a .38 caliber.
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You forgot to add if there was any stamping on the barrel rib. It is unusual that there is absolutely no stampings on the gun other than a single letter here and there? May be that the gun was refinished at some point in time and all the markings were removed?? Belgium was a major manufacturer of S&W copies, but there is usually a ELG stamping on the rear of the cylinder, but yours does not have one. I would suspect that the answer still remains the same, Spanish copy. Caliber should be 38 S&W.
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You forgot to add if there was any stamping on the barrel rib. It is unusual that there is absolutely no stampings on the gun other than a single letter here and there? May be that the gun was refinished at some point in time and all the markings were removed?? Belgium was a major manufacturer of S&W copies, but there is usually a ELG stamping on the rear of the cylinder, but yours does not have one. I would suspect that the answer still remains the same, Spanish copy. Caliber should be 38 S&W.
I think you are right. Somehow, I think this gun is an obscure Spanish knock off of a S&W gun. The lack of markings, which I know for a fact my father did not removed (if they were ever there), hints me on that direction. Thank you so much for your help.
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It has a lot of features in common with this Spanish "Fuskaro".38 of indeterminate age:

https://image.invaluable.com/housePh...-L48226387.jpg

Fuskaro is almost certainly a misreading of the Basque word Euskaro, which is a form of the word the Basques apply to their own language and culture. The Esprin brothers (Esprin Hermanos) of the gun-making Eibar region produced revolvers associated with the name. I don't know if Euskaro would be considered a brand name or just a nationalistic designation tacked onto the primary Hermanos Esprin factory identity.

The frame modeling and contouring as well as the stud and screw positions seem identical between your gun and the photo I link to. The hammer spur profile and trigger guard shape are a little off, but those are pieces on which a precise configuration is not necessary for the revolver to function.

Maybe you can get to a firm identity from internet searches for both "Fuskaro" and "Euskaro" along with "Esprin" and "revolver."

Good luck with your efforts to identify the gun to the extent that will allow its import.
The way I see it, I believe that your opinion is the closest I am going to be able to get to identifying this gun. My father bought this gun in a port city of Peru (Callao) OVER 40 years ago. There is a significant amount of Spanish influence and trade there still. 40 years ago? It was Spanish central. Full of sailors and passers by from Western Europe there to fish. It just makes sense... Thank you so much for your help.
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There are several of the type shown in Zhuk.
Most, unfortunately, are listed as "Maker unknown, Eibar."
The most similar named revolver is the Tanke, by Oreuta Hermanos.
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