Smith & Wesson Forum

Advertise With Us Search
Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > Smith & Wesson Revolvers > S&W Antiques

Notices

S&W Antiques S&W Lever Action Pistols, Tip-Up Revolvers, ALL Top-Break Revolvers, and ALL Single Shots


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-13-2017, 11:59 AM
generic generic is offline
Member
Identity and worth Identity and worth Identity and worth Identity and worth Identity and worth  
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Default Identity and worth

I'm trying to find out more about this. It's a S&W Patent Apr 4 55, Jul 5 59, Nov 21 65.

It has a top break.

Serial number on the butt of the gun is 322XX

If that's not enough information, I'll try to get some more info and post it. Thanks.

[IMG][/IMG]
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #2  
Old 07-13-2017, 12:27 PM
opoefc opoefc is offline
Absent Comrade
US Veteran
SWCA Founding Member
Identity and worth Identity and worth Identity and worth Identity and worth Identity and worth  
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: San Diego, CA. USA
Posts: 10,532
Likes: 3,529
Liked 6,883 Times in 2,796 Posts
Default

Welcome to the Forum. You have a Model 1 & 1/2 New Model .32 Long Rim Fire. AKA Model 1 & 1/2 2nd issue. Made circe 1868-69. It appears to be in very good condition and if mechanically OK,and not a refinished gun, it's worth around $300. The market in these older S&Ws has dropped dramatically in the last year or so. Ed.

Last edited by opoefc; 07-14-2017 at 01:01 PM. Reason: correct typo in dates, etc.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07-13-2017, 12:35 PM
glowe's Avatar
glowe glowe is offline
US Veteran

Identity and worth Identity and worth Identity and worth Identity and worth Identity and worth  
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Michigan Western UP
Posts: 12,966
Likes: 3,047
Liked 14,349 Times in 5,471 Posts
Default

Welcome to the Forum. Actually, it is a bottom-break, but the term most often used for this type of revolver is Tip-Up. You have a Model 1 1/2, Second Issue, 32 rimfire that most likely shipped in 1869 (I think Ed's date is a slip-up with the keyboard). One cannot be certain about the originality of the finish with only one image, but is is possible that you might have an original finish Model 1 1/2. Standard barrel length was 3 1/2", but the company also offered this model in a 2 1/2" length.

There were over 127,000 Model 11 1/2s made and remarkably, many survived in good mechanical condition. If upon close inspection, your revolver turns out to be original, it is worth a fair amount of money. I would offer a different opinion on the value than Ed, based on auction pricing and Supica's SCSW4. If it grades as Excellent, you have a $700 gun, but there are not many collectors who specialize in this era S&W anymore and the next one that goes up for auction could sell for Ed's price, due to a volatile market. One problem is that these are not gaining value today and may be slipping some in the market. Another issue is that there is absolutely no ammunition manufactured for this gun today and it is about impossible to find any reliable old ammunition out there to use from any source.
__________________
Gary
SWCA 2515

Last edited by glowe; 07-13-2017 at 12:41 PM. Reason: edit after Ed's post
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Like Post:
  #4  
Old 07-13-2017, 01:47 PM
generic generic is offline
Member
Identity and worth Identity and worth Identity and worth Identity and worth Identity and worth  
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Default

Thanks to all (and for the welcome).

Very fast replies, indeed.

I appreciate the information.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 07-13-2017, 09:33 PM
JSR III's Avatar
JSR III JSR III is offline
SWCA Member
Identity and worth Identity and worth Identity and worth Identity and worth Identity and worth  
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Massachusetts USA
Posts: 9,593
Likes: 3,710
Liked 8,948 Times in 3,555 Posts
Default

Quote:
I appears to me to be Model 1 2nd issue.
Welcome to the forum. You unfortunately have received conflicting information regarding your gun. I would agree with Ed and Gary that it is a New Model 1 1/2 aka Model 1 1/2 second issue that fires a .32 rim fire round. If it were as Paul suggested, a model 1 second issue, it would be a .22 caliber with a non fluted cylinder and have a square butt.

Price for a 1 1/2 new model would be around $300 in today's market as these older guns just don't appeal to the younger crowd looking for black plastic tacticool guns. Ammo is harder to find and many times, if original, worth as much as the gun.
__________________
James Redfield
LM #497
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 07-13-2017, 11:35 PM
merl67 merl67 is offline
SWCA Member
Identity and worth Identity and worth Identity and worth Identity and worth Identity and worth  
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Northern Middle Tennessee
Posts: 2,915
Likes: 3,427
Liked 4,120 Times in 1,462 Posts
Default

I can't add anything except WOW what a beauty. I would have some splainin to to to my wife if that showed up at any of my sources at price I could afford. Thanks for sharing and welcome to the forum.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 07-14-2017, 09:53 AM
H Richard's Avatar
H Richard H Richard is offline
US Veteran
Identity and worth Identity and worth Identity and worth Identity and worth Identity and worth  
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: West Central IL
Posts: 22,795
Likes: 18,509
Liked 22,392 Times in 8,269 Posts
Default

I would really like to go along with Gary's valuation, but unfortunately I have to go along with James. (I have a few of these).

I have reviewed several auctions in the past year, and the selling prices seem to be slipping lower .
__________________
H Richard
SWCA1967 SWHF244
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 07-14-2017, 12:20 PM
generic generic is offline
Member
Identity and worth Identity and worth Identity and worth Identity and worth Identity and worth  
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Default

Thanks for all the follow-up. I've adjusted the selling price accordingly.

Where would find ammo for it? Are there places that specialize in old ammo?
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 07-14-2017, 12:35 PM
wormey wormey is offline
Member
Identity and worth Identity and worth Identity and worth Identity and worth Identity and worth  
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 26
Likes: 1
Liked 33 Times in 18 Posts
Default

The only shootable ammo out there is some imported by Navy Arms 20 or more years ago. You can occasionally find some, but it generally goes for $150 or so a box. Original ammo goes for ly much more and generally will not shoot even if so inclined. If you handload, shootable cases are available from Dixiegun Works and others utilizing 22blanks for primers. They work just fine. A little pricey, but not really in that they are machined from bar stock.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
K 22 Identity GMiraldi S&W Revolvers: 1961 to 1980 3 02-21-2017 12:36 AM
Help with identity hd-dude S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 18 03-20-2016 12:34 AM
38 Identity help thomasmhemenway S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 17 12-16-2015 12:32 PM
Help with identity please r3captain S&W Revolvers: 1961 to 1980 7 07-25-2015 01:31 AM
Identity Please,,,,HELP skeetshooter The Lounge 5 08-10-2013 12:07 AM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:09 PM.


Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)