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I need everyone's help to further some research by EMAILING me data on New Model 3s. All except Japanese and Turkish contracts, 38 Winchester, 32-44 Target and .38.44 Targets (unless SN is higher than 4333 as I have seen a few in the 32xxx range or if ship date is after 1898) and Frontier (44-40s).

The Japanese contract guns are well documented so I don't need those. The others mentioned above have their own SN range so I don't need those with the exception of higher SN ranges and post 1898 ship dates as described above.

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Serial Number:
Target sights(and if so what type) or standard service sights;
Rebounding or Non-Rebounding hammer
Caliber (.44 S&W Russian, .45 S&W Schofield, 450 & 455 British)
Barrel Length: (if barrel has been cut please indicate)
Finish
Approximate current condition (state % if original or refinished etc.)
Ship Date (state whether from letter or ship date request) and
Shipped to where (if lettered)

If it has any special attributes, please define those attributes.
If cut for an extension stock, please state whether factory cut for stock or if cut for aftermarket stock.

Please EMAIL me the details. This way if you don't want to post your serial number linked to you on forum, I will just do the entire SN with no name to keep a personal research record to share with whomever helps or post it, with your permission but with no names.

If we all supply this data we may learn something new and all share in the research.
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SN Cal Type RB/NRB Bbl Finish Ship Date To Current Condition

1658 .44R Standard RB? 6.5 Nickel July 29,1879, MW Robinson NYC apx 50% nickel remains (Rack & Gear)
3813 .44R Standard RB 6.5 Nickel March 1881(per Roy Ship date Request) apx. 95% factory nickel now dull remains
12126 .44R TARGET RB 6.5 Blue June,26,1896 D.Kirkwood, Boston Mass. apx. 95% as non-factory refinished
......... SN 12126 is factory cut for extension stock.
19483 .44R Standard RB? 6.5 Nickel Oct 1, 1884 to MW Robinson, NYC. apx 99% as refurbished (unknown if factory ref)
22234 .44R Standard RB? 6.5 Nickel Jan.22, 1884, Hibbard,Spencer&BartlettCo.Chicago. apx. 90% orig Nickel remains
23312 .44R Standard RB 6.5 Nickel January 1888 (Roy/Ship date request) apx 95% (2nd Australian order per Ed Cornett)
......... SN 23312 is factory cut for extension stock.
24013 .44R Standard (UNK) 5 inch May 2, 1887 MW Robinson NY data mined fm internet. Letter indicates 5" but may be error. Roll stamp suspicious. ...........Appears Appx 70% orig finish.
24394 .44R TARGET, (NRB?) 6.5 Blue, May 2, 1888 W.H. Chapin, Springfield, Mass, Walnut Stocks, Seems appx 90% original, unconfirmed.
29699 .44R Standard RB 6.5 blue March 20, 1897 MW Robinson, NYC Paine ft sight/Std rear. Fire blue trigger. 95+% orig blue finish
30261 .44R TARGET NRB 6.5 Blue Oct.18,1896, Hartley&Graham,NYC "97-98% & fire blue screws" (per owner) Russian TG & checkered spur
30397 .44R TARGET (NRB ?) 6 inch, Nickel, November 5, 1904, Mr. Lee Seely (no address) Factory type 4 engraved by Oscar Young, factory pearl stocks ........ (seems EXCELLENT condition) added 8/12/2018
32359 .44R TARGET NRB 8" July 1902 (per Roy ship date request) apx. 95% original blue.
......... Prev owner since late 1940s, Member Tom Blair (RIP)
33244 .44R TARGET UNK 6.5" Blue Feb.20,1900, D.Kirdwood, Boston Mass 70% checkered Trigger.
33286 .44R TARGET, NRB ? 6.5" Blue, March 8,1900 to MW Robinson, NYC Apx 95% orig blue (per owner), Paine black bead ft sight.Hard Rubber stocks ........ 1 of 5 identical guns in shipment
33273 .44R TARGET NRB 6.5 Blue Nov.23,1899 MWRobinson NYC NY apx. 95% original blue
33638 .44R TARGET NRB 8" Blue Aug.20,1902 E.M.Clymer (no address) apx. 95% original blue
........ traced E.M.Clymer to Clymer, PA 1900s. Seems a descendant of George Clymer, signor of the Declaration of Independence. Not yet verified
33800 .45S&W TARGET NRB 6.5" Blue Nov.4,1904, Andkell & D (no address) apx. 95% original blue
........ Prev owner for apx.40 years prior to 2007, Member Emil Baronek (RIP).
33972 .44 R TARGET NRB 8" Blue Jan. 9, 1903 Markt Co, NYC, NY apx 60% orig Blue
34022 .450 Ely TARGET NRB? 8" Blue Aug 5, 1903, Chas.Osborne, & Co, Birmingham,England apx 60 % orig Blue
34616 .44 R TARGET NRB 6.5"Blue Aug.14,1907 VL&A Chicago, IL apx. 95% orig. blue
........ purchased from Ray Brazille in 1995
35280 .44 R TARGET NRB? 8" blue, Nov. 29, 1907, to Copper City Commercial Co. Anaconda, MT, Apx 98% (per owner) as factory refinish May 1950 (5.50) ......... all nos.match, Lyman ivory bead ft sight, rear factory target sight. Hard Rubber stocks.
35601 .44 R TARGET unk 6.5 Blue Aug. 1906 (per Bob Hart) apx 90% Lyman Ivory Bead Ft. sight
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First entry submitted and entered, more to follow, keep sending, please.
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We're on a roll, keep the SN's coming, please. Sal
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What does NRB stand for?

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What does NRB stand for?

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My best guess-----------non rebounding (as in hammer). I started off with Ribbed Barrel for RB. That of course left Non Ribbed Barrel for NRB---but there ain't no such thing. So-------------------------------???????

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My best guess-----------non rebounding (as in hammer)
Yes, LOL. Shorthand codes
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NRB non-Rebounding
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"33800 .45S&W TARGET..". Is this a .45 Schofield?? Rare beast.
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"33800 .45S&W TARGET..". Is this a .45 Schofield?? Rare beast.
Yes, per Roy, shipping records show only 45 Caliber. Upon mic-ing the chamfer, it is ... in fact ..., .45 S&W Schofield.

The only other one I know of is pictured in Neal & Jinks.

I looked for that one for many years. Old member Emil Baronek (RIP) sold it to me in 2007 after taunting me for the prior 15 years bringing only one type of S&W per year to Lakeland until he got to the New Model 3s. He would not break his pattern nor psychology of how he was to sell his S&W collection to bring the Model 3s any time sooner.

Before I purchased it, for a then premium sum, I called Roy to make sure it was a .45 Schofield. Roy advised to check to be sure NO British proofs, then asked if I had a factory pack of about 1920s S&W Schofield (advising not to use old arsenal rounds) which I did in a partition case of sample rounds. The S&W Schofield fit exactly as advised it should.

Now if I could only find one in 8" and another in 5".
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More added, some others updated. Keep the info coming. Thank you all.
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3 more serial numbers added, more to follow. keep the data coming. Thank you.
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This .44 Russian revolver is all new to me, as I only recently received it from my late father's estate.
My understanding is that it is from 1896, and not that far off from Annie Oakley's serial number of the same model. Kinda cool.
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This .44 Russian revolver is all new to me, as I only recently received it from my late father's estate.
My understanding is that it is from 1896, and not that far off from Annie Oakley's serial number of the same model. Kinda cool.
Pics okay?
Email sent with Serial No.
From what I can see in the photos, it looks sweet.

Can you post a few close ups. of both sides.

Have you lettered it yet for a verified ship date ? I recommend you write Roy Jinks for a letter. I think the going price now is $75.00. It is a wise investment.

Your serial number is included in a batch which is stated that "most of" were sent to Takata, Japan. This does not positively verify your, was in fact, sent to Japan but it is likely.

Check for matching numbers as Japanese contract NM3s are notorious for having mis-match parts (part numbers) usually the cylinder number does not match. I replied to your email on how and where to check and also a few other pointers. If mismatched within other Japanese contract guns, it doesn't make it worth any less just something we accept as the "usual" on Japanese contract guns.


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Sal, I am confused with what you don't want?? Could you clarify whether you want just SAs, no DAs and/or Frontier Models?
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Sal, I am confused with what you don't want?? Could you clarify whether you want just SAs, no DAs and/or Frontier Models?
For this time being, just the New Model 3 Single Actions that were domestic USA, North & South American, British & Australian shipped. Those that were all produced within the normal New Model 3 serial number range.

No double actions. No, Japanese contract guns. no Frontier 44-40 SA (1-2072). No .32-44 or .38-44 unless they are numbered beyond the original SN range of 1-4333 e.g. I have a .32-44 in the 31xxx range. I want all those higher (usually 1900-1912 shipped) numbers.

In the future, as another project, I would like to collect all the .32-44 and .38-44 Serial number ship dates but not until I have a good base of at least 200 of these I seek first.

None others that have their own serial number range e.g. the Turkish (1 to 5461) contract(s) nor 38-40 WCF (1-74).
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From what I can see in the photos, it looks sweet.

Can you post a few close ups. of both sides.

Have you lettered it yet for a verified ship date ? I recommend you write Roy Jinks for a letter. I think the going price now is $75.00. It is a wise investment.

Your serial number is included in a batch which is stated that "most of" were sent to Takata, Japan. This does not positively verify your, was in fact, sent to Japan but it is likely.

Check for matching numbers as Japanese contract NM3s are notorious for having mis-match parts (part numbers) usually the cylinder number does not match. I replied to your email on how and where to check and also a few other pointers. If mismatched within other Japanese contract guns, it doesn't make it worth any less just something we accept as the "usual" on Japanese contract guns.


Thanks for the post. Sal
Here is the letter from Roy Jinks
Sorry it is show sideways. I don't know why:
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Sorry it is show sideways. I don't know why:
I entered the serial number and ship date. Thank you very much.
So glad is not a Takata gun. The letter is to your benefit.
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