I need everyone's help to further some research by EMAILING me data on New Model 3s. All except Japanese and Turkish contracts, 38 Winchester, 32-44 Target and .38.44 Targets (unless SN is higher than 4333 as I have seen a few in the 32xxx range or if ship date is after 1898) and Frontier (44-40s).

The Japanese contract guns are well documented so I don't need those. The others mentioned above have their own SN range so I don't need those with the exception of higher SN ranges and post 1898 ship dates as described above.

Please supply data as follows:

> Serial Number:
> Serial numbers match on all parts ? (butt, face of cylinder, clasp, and barrel number located in the recessed area of the rear upper frame visible with the latch lifted all the way up. You may need a Q-tip to clean the recess.
> Any odd or other markings on the exterior and on the grip frame, under the grips (stock) e.g. refurbish date etc.
> Sights ? Target sights(and if so what type) or standard service sights; Any special / optional sights, e.g. lyman etc.
> Rebounding or Non-Rebounding hammer
> Caliber (.44 S&W Russian, .45 S&W Schofield, 450 & 455 British, etc.)
> Barrel Length: (if barrel has been cut please indicate)
> Finish (blue, nickel or other custom finish)
> Approximate current condition (state % if original or refinished etc.)
> Ship Date (state whether from letter or ship date request) and
> Shipped to where (if lettered)

If it has any special attributes, please define those attributes.
If cut for an extension stock, please state whether factory cut for stock or if cut for aftermarket stock.

Please EMAIL me the details. This way if you don't want to post your serial number linked to you on forum, I will just do the entire SN with no name to keep a personal research record to share with whomever helps or post it, with your permission but with no names.

If we all supply this data we may learn something new and all share in the research.

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This post reserved for Data publication ... LAST REVISED: 6/17/2019, 8:10 PM EDT.

SN Cal Type RB/NRB Bbl Finish Ship Date To Current Condition

1658 .44R Standard RB? 6.5 Nickel July 29,1879, MW Robinson NYC apx 50% nickel remains (Rack & Gear)
3813 .44R Standard RB 6.5 Nickel March 1881(per Roy Ship date Request) apx. 95% factory nickel now dull remains
12126 .44R TARGET RB 6.5 Blue June,26,1896 D.Kirkwood, Boston Mass. apx. 95% as non-factory refinished
......... SN 12126 is factory cut for extension stock.
19483 .44R Standard RB? 6.5 Nickel Oct 1, 1884 to MW Robinson, NYC. apx 99% as refurbished (unknown if factory ref)
22234 .44R Standard RB? 6.5 Nickel Jan.22, 1884, Hibbard,Spencer&BartlettCo.Chicago. apx. 90% orig Nickel remains
23312 .44R Standard RB 6.5 Nickel January 1888 (Roy/Ship date request) apx 95% (2nd Australian order per Ed Cornett)
......... SN 23312 is factory cut for extension stock.
24013 .44R Standard (UNK) 5 inch May 2, 1887 MW Robinson NY data mined fm internet. Letter indicates 5" but may be error. Roll stamp suspicious. ...........Appears Appx 70% orig finish.
24394 .44R TARGET, (NRB?) 6.5 Blue, May 2, 1888 W.H. Chapin, Springfield, Mass, Walnut Stocks, Seems appx 90% original, unconfirmed.
29699 .44R Standard RB 6.5 blue March 20, 1897 MW Robinson, NYC Paine ft sight/Std rear. Fire blue trigger. 95+% orig blue finish
29787 .44 R Target RB 6.5 Nickel, March 31, 1900 to H. Ehret (address unknown), Sold $680, Gunbroker 6/17/19, Condition fair/poor.
30261 .44R TARGET NRB 6.5 Blue Oct.18,1896, Hartley&Graham,NYC "97-98% & fire blue screws" (per owner) Russian TG & checkered spur
30397 .44R TARGET (NRB ?) 6 inch, Nickel, November 5, 1904, Mr. Lee Seely (no address) Factory type 4 engraved by Oscar Young, factory pearl stocks ........ (seems EXCELLENT condition) added 8/12/2018
32359 .44R TARGET NRB 8" July 1902 (per Roy ship date request) apx. 95% original blue, factory checkered front & rear grips straps and trigger. Old letter lost years ago documented the checkering on grip straps and trigger. 2014 letter makes no mention.
......... Prev owner since late 1940s, Member Tom Blair (RIP)
33243 .44R, Target NRB, 6 1/2", Blue, 50%, June 1899 (ship date request), all numbers match, "AB" metal (silver?) monogram applied to right side .......... of frame (with tiny jeweler's type screws) over S&W logo, Letter Requested, will revise with results (added 6/17/19)
33244 .44R TARGET UNK 6.5" Blue Feb.20,1900, D.Kirdwood, Boston Mass 70% checkered Trigger.
33286 .44R TARGET, NRB ? 6.5" Blue, March 8,1900 to MW Robinson, NYC Apx 95% orig blue (per owner), Paine black bead ft sight.Hard Rubber stocks ........ 1 of 5 identical guns in shipment
33273 .44R TARGET NRB 6.5 Blue Nov.23,1899 MWRobinson NYC NY apx. 95% original blue
33638 .44R TARGET NRB 8" Blue Aug.20,1902 E.M.Clymer (no address) apx. 95% original blue
........ traced E.M.Clymer to Clymer, PA 1900s. Seems a descendant of George Clymer, signor of the Declaration of Independence. Not yet verified
33800 .45S&W Schofield Cal. TARGET NRB, 6.5" Blue Nov.4,1904, Andkell & D (no address) apx. 95% original blue
........ Prev owner for apx.40 years prior to 2007, Member Emil Baronek (RIP).
33972 .44 R TARGET NRB 8" Blue Jan. 9, 1903 Markt Co, NYC, NY apx 60% orig Blue
34022 .450 Ely TARGET NRB? 8" Blue Aug 5, 1903, Chas.Osborne, & Co, Birmingham,England apx 60 % orig Blue
34616 .44 R TARGET NRB 6.5"Blue Aug.14,1907 VL&A Chicago, IL apx. 95% orig. blue
........ purchased from Ray Brazille in 1995
35280 .44 R TARGET NRB? 8" blue, Nov. 29, 1907, to Copper City Commercial Co. Anaconda, MT, Apx 98% (per owner) as factory refinish May 1950 (5.50) ......... all nos.match, Lyman ivory bead ft sight, rear factory target sight. Hard Rubber stocks.
35601 .44 R TARGET unk 6.5 Blue Aug. 1906 (per Bob Hart) apx 90% Lyman Ivory Bead Ft. sight

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First entry submitted and entered, more to follow, keep sending, please.

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We're on a roll, keep the SN's coming, please. Sal

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What does NRB stand for?

Regards

My best guess-----------non rebounding (as in hammer). I started off with Ribbed Barrel for RB. That of course left Non Ribbed Barrel for NRB---but there ain't no such thing. So-------------------------------???????

Ralph Tremaine

Yes, LOL. Shorthand codes
RB Rebounding
NRB non-Rebounding

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"33800 .45S&W TARGET..". Is this a .45 Schofield?? Rare beast.

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Yes, per Roy, shipping records show only 45 Caliber. Upon mic-ing the chamfer, it is ... in fact ..., .45 S&W Schofield.

The only other one I know of is pictured in Neal & Jinks.

I looked for that one for many years. Old member Emil Baronek (RIP) sold it to me in 2007 after taunting me for the prior 15 years bringing only one type of S&W per year to Lakeland until he got to the New Model 3s. He would not break his pattern nor psychology of how he was to sell his S&W collection to bring the Model 3s any time sooner.

Before I purchased it, for a then premium sum, I called Roy to make sure it was, in fact, shipped as a .45 Schofield. Roy advised to check to be sure NO British proofs, then asked if I had a factory pack of about 1920s S&W Schofield (advising not to use old arsenal rounds) which I did have factory WRA mfg. in a partitioned index case of sample rounds. The S&W Schofield fit exactly as advised it should.

Now if I could only find one in 8" and another in 5".

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More added, some others updated. Keep the info coming. Thank you all.

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3 more serial numbers added, more to follow. keep the data coming. Thank you.

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This .44 Russian revolver is all new to me, as I only recently received it from my late father's estate.
My understanding is that it is from 1896, and not that far off from Annie Oakley's serial number of the same model. Kinda cool.
Pics okay?
Email sent with Serial No.

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From what I can see in the photos, it looks sweet.

Can you post a few close ups. of both sides.

Have you lettered it yet for a verified ship date ? I recommend you write Roy Jinks for a letter. I think the going price now is $75.00. It is a wise investment.

Your serial number is included in a batch which is stated that "most of" were sent to Takata, Japan. This does not positively verify your, was in fact, sent to Japan but it is likely.

Check for matching numbers as Japanese contract NM3s are notorious for having mis-match parts (part numbers) usually the cylinder number does not match. I replied to your email on how and where to check and also a few other pointers. If mismatched within other Japanese contract guns, it doesn't make it worth any less just something we accept as the "usual" on Japanese contract guns.


Thanks for the post. Sal

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Sal, I am confused with what you don't want?? Could you clarify whether you want just SAs, no DAs and/or Frontier Models?

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For this time being, just the New Model 3 Single Actions that were domestic USA, North & South American, British & Australian shipped. Those that were all produced within the normal New Model 3 serial number range.

No double actions. No, Japanese contract guns. no Frontier 44-40 SA (1-2072). No .32-44 or .38-44 unless they are numbered beyond the original SN range of 1-4333 e.g. I have a .32-44 in the 31xxx range. I want all those higher (usually 1900-1912 shipped) numbers.

In the future, as another project, I would like to collect all the .32-44 and .38-44 Serial number ship dates but not until I have a good base of at least 200 of these I seek first.

None others that have their own serial number range e.g. the Turkish (1 to 5461) contract(s) nor 38-40 WCF (1-74).

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Pics added, as requested.

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2 more added. Please keep the data coming Thanks to all that have submitted data.

Sal Raimondi, Sr.

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Here is the letter from Roy Jinks
Sorry it is show sideways. I don't know why:

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I entered the serial number and ship date. Thank you very much.
So glad is not a Takata gun. The letter is to your benefit.

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Was this because the Japanese Armorers mixed things up?

Yes, that is the accepted and logical reason for the parts mix up. After many were re-imported after WWII, they came back in shipping crates to a dealer or dealers / wholesalers ... I think ... in California or another Northwestern state.

Ed Cornett knows much more about this. I hope he jumps in here for a comment.

These were commercially sold within the US (by the importer or importers after WWII) with the later batches being complete mix ups which are "presumed" to be because at the near end of the batch the dealer or wholesaler just put together parts to complete the units.

I actually have one that is 1/2 of one Japanese Contract & 1/2 of another SN Japanese contract with a non-pro refinish but nice and tight. This makes for a good shooter but comes up short on the collectors' value.

Although many have matching numbers, just about as many have a different SN cylinder while fewer are complete "mix and match put-togethers".

Some reported to be GI bring-backs from WWII and from Korean War. I understand the WWII bring backs (of Axis power gun types and makes) from all theaters of operation, however, I don't fully comprehend how some of these Japanese Contract S&W NM3s could be brought back from Korea in the 1950s. Someone with facts please jump in to help clarify. >>> Ed, where are you ??

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More revisions and updates today. Please keep sending data, much appreciated, Sal Raimondi

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Looking for more Model 3 SNs and ship dates to add. Thank you. Sal Raimondi

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Hello Sal, This is for two that I have handy.
NM 3 Target, .44 R - 6.5 in. - #37512 - NRH, Walnut Stks, Blue, 95 %.
NM 3 Target, 450 - 7.5 in. - #33839 - NRH, Walnut Stks. Blue, 85 %.
I very rarely worried about letters, to busy working and looking for more S&Ws when time allowed, but I will try and send you more info on others I still have or have sold, Thanks for your efforts, JC.

JC, see if you can slip in a few ship date requests to Roy. Your allowed one per week. That .450 has British proofs, I presume ? It should be stamped with Caliber on side of barrel.

the higher SN 37512 should come out to a late ship sometime in the 1900s to 1910, I'd think. All numbers match on both ? This means, butt, face of cylinder, latch and rear of barrel in the recessed area visible with latch lifted. Should also have the caliber roll stamp on side of barrel.

Thanks for participating ... best regards, Sal Raimondi, Sr.

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Hi, Murph. I need a little more data on each

1. Parts ... all numbered / matching, include (most important) barrel number in recess area at rear visible with the rear latch held open to the highest it goes.
2. Approximate condition on each. On our honor here. Judge, realistically, the approximate condition and if refinished / factory or non-factory specified. e.g. 70% condition or 70% condition as (either factory, non factory but professional, or non-professional ) refinished, etc.
3. Anything out of the ordinary ? e.g special sights, grips (stocks), Checkering on the front / rear straps and / or trigger etc. Special sights e.g. Lyman white line, or other brand gold bead, ivory bead, etc.
If sights are factory ... either Factory standard sights or Factory Target sights. light description here.
4. Rebounding or Non-rebounding hammer ?
5. Caliber roll stamp on side or barrel or none ?
6. mechanical conditions, functions, etc ? Nice and tight when closed or a bit loose, etc.
7. Ship date and to whom (you've supplied those).
8. Markings, if any, on the exterior areas and under the left (and right) grip frame. (the flat area under of the gun with grips (stocks) removed.

I appreciate your time and input. At very least I'd like to leave my research for future collectors / members as part of my epitaph.

Unfortunately, I cannot "donate" any of my collection to a museum, well perhaps loan a few very odd and truly scarce variations.

Thanks again to everyone.

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Please refresh my memory on how one may have Roy look up a Ship Date here in the forum? Vis a vie, sending off for a Letter?

I have four NM3s, but I have not requested any Letters yet for them.

I'd gladly add them to your List with or without ship dates, but I think you do want ship dates when possible.

Sal,
You’ll have to give me more time for the disassembly frame markings. I’ll give you those when I get a chance to inspect them individually.

Murph

Yes, Ship date is one of the key reference points we are keeping track of.
to access the ship date request from Roy Jinks you have to be a member of the S&WCA that you could access the members only section.

You probably wont' be able to get this unless your a member but it is here:

http://smith-wessonforum.com/swca-ship-date-request

Short of the ship date request, you should get a S&W letter on the guns to confirm what they are (as they left the factory) to whom shipped and when. Some could be rather interesting.

Form for letter request available for download here: http://smith-wessonforum.com/downloa...?do=file&id=17

Hope this helps. I'm very curious as to what you have. Please send me an email to [email protected] with descriptions of each one. Follow the format of questions requested:

lease supply data as follows:

Serial Number:
Serial numbers match on all parts ? (butt, face of cylinder, clasp, and barrel number located in the recessed area of the rear upper frame visible with the latch lifted all the way up. You may need a Q-tip to clean the recess.
Target sights(and if so what type) or standard service sights;
Rebounding or Non-Rebounding hammer
Caliber (.44 S&W Russian, .45 S&W Schofield, 450 & 455 British)
Barrel Length: (if barrel has been cut please indicate)
Finish
Approximate current condition (state % if original or refinished etc.)
Ship Date (state whether from letter or ship date request) and
Shipped to where (if lettered)

If it has any special attributes, please define those attributes.
If cut for an extension stock, please state whether factory cut for stock or if cut for aftermarket stock.

Please EMAIL me the details. This way if you don't want to post your serial number linked to you on forum, I will just do the entire SN with no name to keep a personal research record to share with whomever helps or post it, with your permission but with no names.

If we all supply this data we may learn something new and all share in the research.
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I am a member in good standing, but for some reason the SWCA portion gives me an access denied notice.

Who can I contact to resolve this?

Edited to say - I got it figured out, contacted the right person, sent them my info, so I ought to have access sometime while we're young, and I'll submit the info for my relevant NM3s and when they shipped, soon as I have that.