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Old 04-16-2018, 11:34 AM
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As some will know from my previous Thread; I'm in need of some kind of Documentation to show that my Pre 1900 Top Breaks were not (strictly speaking) Designed or Manufactured to fire Nitro Loaded Cartridges.

Our Laws (here in Tasmania, Australia) are actually better than our Mainland States in that we dont face any restrictions on Guns made pre 1900 and for which no Ammunition is Commercially available

i'm having problems with the local Constabulary who are trying to make out that my .38 top Breaks were made to fire Modern .38 S&W Ammo Which, if not effectively disputed; would open a major can o' worms for me with Registration, licensing, Storage requirement, etc, ad infinitum.

Here's what one of our Razor Sharp Members suggested:

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"S&W Safety Hammerless models made and shipped circa 1900 era contained a flyer in the box stating that the gun was designed for blackpowder ammo. & it could be harmful & unsafe to fire smokeless powder ammo. for which the gun was not designed. As you know, blackpowder .38 ammo. is no longer made. Perhaps a Forum member could post a photo of that flyer ( I don't currently have one ). Ed."

So, what i need; if anyone can help out here; is a nice, clear picture of this 'Flyer' as it could well be my Silver Bullet (pun intended) to get the Gendarmes off my back for good.

Also; some way of maybe verifying it's Date..

if anyone has one of these; they will be on my Christmas Card list for life!!!

Fingers firmly crossed.....
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I would contact Roy Jinks or Don Mundell (club gun fan) as the S&WHF Historian and Asst. Historian respectively. Don also has one of the largest S&W paper collections in the collecting world and if anyone has that brochure or flyer, he might. Roy being the S&W Historian for something like 50 years probably also has a copy.
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Can you own original or modern reproduction firearms using percussion caps and black powder, like the Colt or Remington revolvers used in the US Civil War?

Single-shot flintlock pistols or rifles?
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Can you own original or modern reproduction firearms using percussion caps and black powder, like the Colt or Remington revolvers used in the US Civil War?

Single-shot flintlock pistols or rifles?
Anything made after 1900 attracts all the Licensing, Registration and Secure Storage Requirements in all States Here.

All States have exemptions for some Pre. 1900 Firearms and those exemptions and which Guns qualify for them vary from State to State.

For example; an original 1851 Navy Colt in my State is completely exempt from any restriction, unless I want to Shoot it; but the same Gun in the closest Mainland State has to be Registered, Stored in a Safe and requires a Pistol License. which is not easy to get or keep. you have to be a Pistol Club Member and shoot Comp. at least 6 times a year in each Discipline that you use each Gun for.

Single Shot Muzzle Loaders are generally exempt, as are most Military Rifles (pre 1900) Like Martini Henrys and Enfield P1853s.

Cartridge Revolvers is where it gets tricky in my State. Generally; if you cant buy Ammo over the counter; its kosher. Trouble is, a few bad eggs in our Police Firearms Service have this idea that if any Cartridge you can buy will fit in the Chamber; your exemption is out the window.
The result is a Witch Hunt that is making Collectors lives hell.

Dawn Raids on old Boys with 50 year Collections and all the dirty tricks you could think of have become the norm.

See, we dont have anything like your 2nd Amendment and this is what can happen when you have no rights.

So we are putting together a test Case to sort it out.
This is why i'm looking for material to prove the pre 1900 Smiths which i have a clutch of; are exempt.
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Hint taken!! Yes, I've no doubt it would; not so much as it would add to my 'Cred' but for the wealth of Info and resources they have.

At some point, I will join; my biggest hurdle right now is my financial resources are stretched to the limit with Legal Fees and the fact that our Economy here is flat as a tack. Due to Foreign Investors buying up Real Estate, Housing has become unaffordable for Aussies and a lot of us are actually living rough, in cars, shacks, sheds, tents, etc.
Govt is bringing in tens of thousands of Immigrants from the Middle East and Africa also and they are given priority for jobs and Housing. Us White Boys finish last and if we're Gun Toters, we are treated like lepers. The Neo-Libs have a grip on this place like you wouldn't believe. At least things arent as bad here as in Europe, not yet anyway.

But yeah, I will join up when i can...
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Get an application and fill it out and send it to me and I will pay your first years dues. My email address is listed under my handle or at least a link is. Or you can PM me for my address.

I have been fighting for our gun rights for over 50 years so if I can do even a little to fight for yours, I'm in.

Besides, being new to antique S&W's, I love reading your posts and enjoy hearing your stories from down under even though they are sad to hear at times.
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