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Old 05-15-2018, 12:13 AM
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Looking for answers on what appears to be a single shot .22 cal.model 1 issue ???... My son spotted it at an antique show we were at, and had me come look at it...The seller was selling it for a friend and knew nothing about the Tip Up... I bought it to add to my Tip Up collection and restore it as a wall hanger... It was missing just a few things which I replaced with parts from another model 1 issue 3... On the back side you can see where someone purposely ground into the frame, as they do in industry to defective parts so they could not be sold... I can find no information on this little pistol, so I joined this form to see if anyone can shed any information on it... Thank you in advance...Some pics inclosed...
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Well, you got my attention with "single shot", but this is WAY out of my my field of interest and knowledge. That said, I've never been shy about sharing what I know---and don't know. I don't know what this is. I do know I'm about 99% certain it's not a S&W product.

Those who know things I don't will be along directly.

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Using a high power magnifying glass, look at the top rib for a name?? Agree with Ralph, not a S&W.
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I'll weigh in on this, cautiously. The grip frame shape and being brass, seem like one of many Rollin White patent infringements guns, albeit, it is not a revolver so does not qualify as patent infringement piece, the grip frame resembles a shape used by Moore, Brooklyn Arms and other similar types.

Frankly, it appears to be a put-together / parts gun that someone tinkered with to make.

Curious to find out what it really is.
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Some additional pics... The top of the barrel does say Smith and Wesson... The Manhattan parts I needed would not fit, except for the locking mechanism, the Hammer is from a model 1 issue 3...
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OKAY!! NOW I know what this is!! It is a "put together" gun---also known as a "frankengun"---or what someone recently referred to as a "frankenbubbagun", the front half of which appears to be from S&W---and very possibly some of the rest of it shares the same origin. That said, there ain't no such S&W product. It occurs to me some S&W someone may have assembled such a creature as a working prototype at some point in time---or perhaps just for fun---more likely the latter.

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Aah, I'm glad to see this gun posted here!

As I mentioned in the other forum, I'm betting that this gun was a Smith & Wesson employee's home gunsmithing project from back in the day, but it's anyone's guess.

Another possibility is that someone stuffed some smokeless ammo into their gun and pulled the trigger, and they broke the top hinge. With broken gun in hand, they got creative and made it into a single shot.

Either way, it's a really curious little piece, and I'm excited to hear from others here about their birth theories on this Model 1 single shot.

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Curious that whoever did the deed was mysteriously annoyed by the barrel being a 1/2" too long, so out came the hacksaw. Must not have fit the holster??
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Mike, I finally did as you had requested some months ago... I cleaned the bored and could see some rifling, and it also shows the cartridge seating area...A .22 long rifle seats in the barrel real well...

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Interesting. This changes the timeline a bit, since the longer .22 rounds (.22 Long, .22 Extra Long and .22 Long Rifle) didn't appear until the 1870's and 1880's. This gun appears to have been made from a 2nd Issue, which was only made until 1868 ... so I'm leaning towards my theory that someone put a more powerful round into the gun and ruptured the cylinder and/or hinge. This would have immediately rendered the gun a "project," with rather interesting results.

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