Anyone else watch this one it looks odd to me.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/771735828

My only opinion is that I've always thought that if these old top breaks kicked very hard your middle finger would really take a beating the way it is tucked in behind that trigger guard between it and the grip frame.

Quite an attempt to copy a 44 S&W DA. A flagrant attempt to stamp S&W symbols and logos on a forgery. I cannot find a Belgium mark, so may be another country fake. Anyone able to make out what is stamped on the right side of the frame under the cylinder?

Sad thing is that someone probably paid over $500 for a gun they thought was a S&W.

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Gary
SWCA 2515

Not a S&W. A European copy, probably Belgian or Spanish. Lots of discrepancies between this gun and a real S&W, the most obvious of which is the trigger guard attached by screws, which S&W didn't do. Also the ratchet on the extractor star is wrong, the shape of the trigger is wrong and the checkering on the top latch is wrong. there are other differences, but the ones I have listed are more than enough to show that it is a fake.

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Tom
1560

Hopefully the buyer will figure it out and take full advantage of the 3-day inspection period!
With as many sales as the seller has under his belt, that is not a mistake he should have made. Makes me wonder if he wasn't unscrupulous on purpose.

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Chris
SWCA #2243 SWHF #292

First impression, European paperweight.

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Mike 2796
SoFo Bunch member

What amazes me is that someone would pay $535 for this, even if they believed it was a Smith & Wesson revolver. With the missing grips and the poor fit of the sideplate from buffing, I would think that $200 would be a stretch for this one, and that is if this really was a Smith & Wesson revolver.

Thanks y'all confirmed what I thought the frame around the pins is what jumped out at me first.

The S&W logo and the lettering look like they are scratched by hand, not stamped. Uneven lettering and the logo isn't even round. Totally obvious forgery.

An expensive lesson.... Shows why one should study first and buy later.

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Dean
SWCA #680 SWHF #446

Thanks to all who have educated me on what to look for. When I found this particular S&W on Gunbroker I was thinking about it until I started looking at the odd features , and of course the serial number being a major red flag. I finally quit procrastinating and became a bronze contributor. The education here has saved me much, and helped me make some great buys.

Merl, join the S&WCA and you get a fantastic magazine every quarter, a $10 discount on historian's letters, and permission to attend the annual symposium...jes sayin'

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Guy
SWHF #474 SWCA LM#2629

Actually, you get the fantastic magazine every quarter except for one; and the permission to attend the annual "symposium" (which used to be a meeting) is more like the opportunity. You don't need any permission---just sign up and show up---and be glad you did.

But my nit-picking aside, the very best thing about the SWCA is the staggering knowledge to be found among the membership-------and a road map that tells you how to find it. The road map is the Membership Roster. It's updated and published every year. Now I reckon pretty much every organization has a list of its members, but this is more than a list---more like keys to the kingdom. It tells you the regular stuff like who, where, and how to get in touch with them------AND it (almost always) tells you what they collect. I figure what they collect is what they know about, and let me tell you----they KNOW about it!!

There was a time when I was fixing to spend a great big wad of money on a gun I knew just enough about to be TERRIFIED!! I knew it was super rare, and I knew there were some of them out there that wouldn't letter----perhaps more that won't than those that will. They weren't out and out fakes, but they had shipped out in one configuration, and had been shipped back to be converted into another configuration----and they letter as they were the first time around---not as they became afterwards. So how do you tell the difference when you don't have a letter---and you don't have time to get a letter? You ask somebody who knows. The Roster is a list of somebodies who knows----and three of them got me educated, and calmed down. I wasn't all the way calmed down, but close enough to buy the gun---and live happily ever after.

And then there was the time somebody called me. I didn't know this somebody from a bale of hay, but he got my attention pretty much right off. He said, "I see in the SWCA Roster you collect target guns.(??)" I said, "Yes." He asked, "Do you have a Triple Lock?" I said, "No." Now I not only didn't have a Triple Lock, I had just gotten my head handed to me in an auction trying to get one---and I was still licking my wounds---and feeling cranky. Then he asked, "Do you want one?" And guess what I said!!! Then he said, "We have one, and it doesn't fit in our collection---and we want to sell it." And then he said, "Ralph, this is the best one we've ever seen." Now he REALLY had my attention, and it wasn't too long after that that I had the best one one I'd ever seen too----still is.

So why should you be a part of SWCA? Because of some other folks that are part of it---and what they know. And who knows, somebody might call you someday too.

Ralph Tremaine

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Guy
SWHF #474 SWCA LM#2629

If the buyer paid $535 for that, hard telling what he would pay for a pristine first year model! I need to get ahold of him before he wastes all his $$.

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STAY ARMED, VIGILANT, SAFE!

Wow just wow what an amazing Smith you have there !!!

I'll take it...PM to follow.

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James Redfield
LM #497