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44 Double Action Frontier 44-40 Stirrup
I have been looking for a stirrup for a 44 Frontier with no success. Can anyone assist me in locating one?
I have check with following with no luck
Poppert's Gun Parts
Jack First Gun Parts
and Numrich (Gun Parts Corp).
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I have been looking for a stirrup for a 44 Frontier with no success. Can anyone assist me in locating one?
I have check with following with no luck
Poppert's Gun Parts
Jack First Gun Parts
and Numrich (Gun Parts Corp).
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Can you post some good close up pictures of it?
Or is yours entirely missing?
Local fellow here recently got a huge bunch of old small Gun Parts, none of them identified...
If I knew what this looked like, I'd know if I would see one n his hoard.
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Stirrup??
Phil,
If the OP is using the term related to the link on the hammer?
The stirrup is the small T shaped fitting that connects the hammer to the main spring. They can break but it’s rare!
The little pin that holds them to the hammer is what normally works loose and the part is then somehow lost.
Plus the stirrups look the same on all calibers but they are different sizes. So to be sure you have to compare it to a 44 hammer.
Murph
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Phil,
If the OP is using the term related to the link on the hammer?
The stirrup is the small T shaped fitting that connects the hammer to the main spring. They can break but it’s rare!
The little pin that holds them to the hammer is what normally works loose and the part is then somehow lost.
Plus the stirrups look the same on all calibers but they are different sizes. So to be sure you have to compare it to a 44 hammer.
Murph
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Oh! Okay...just checked a NM3 I have the Sideplate off of, so...I'm good to go now on knowing if I see one.
If my acquaintance has any Stirrups among the hoard of small parts, I'll round them up and we can go from there.
I do not have a "DA" apart ( only .44 Russian 'DA's here ) to measure a Stirrup for exact size...but I'd guess they were likely the same for the Frontiers and the .44 Russians...
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The stirrup on the single action New Model no 3 has a small bottom extention which makes the hammer rebound while that for the double action New Model no 3 has not and is non rebounding.
I stand corrected by those who know much more than I but I think that this rebouding hammer feature was first used in the Baby Russian single action about the mid 1870's.
A stirrup for the single action could be converted for the double action by grinding off this small extension but while the one for the double action can be used in the single action but it would loose the rebound hammer feature.
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Can you post some good close up pictures of it?
Or is yours entirely missing?
Local fellow here recently got a huge bunch of old small Gun Parts, none of them identified...
If I knew what this looked like, I'd know if I would see one n his hoard.
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See attached photos of my broken stirrup and photos of a non broken one.
The dimensions of the stirrup are as follows:
Overall length - .460"
Forged pin width - .250"
Forged pin diameter - .079"
Stirrup web width - .065"
Hammer Pin diameter - .067"
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looks like a good welder could repair it
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looks like a good welder could repair it
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Agreed if I had the missing piece.
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I went and fanned through the hoard of old small parts just now, and I did not find any stirrups at all...so, oh well, gave it the good try anyway!
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Thinking about this a little, it would not be very difficult to make a new Stirrup and Pins.
Small length of decent narrow Tool Steel scrap...Drill Press, Micrometer of course to manage size aspects...
Anneal, lightly forge to get close to right thickness, draw File ( preparing the end of a strip, so one has something to hold )...
Scribe profile, drill the holes, cut out the profile, shape it to final spec, temper...
Cut and round Pin ends...( Drill Rod might even be had in right diameter )...
Just musing some thoughts anyway...
Should not be very difficult, and would be fun!
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They just got back to me. No luck.
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Have you asked model3SW if he has one?
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Weld repair?
I agree with the weld/manufacture it repair idea. Especially since the main spring can now be softened with these antiques...They don't need to be as stiff as they were when original to strike the older type primer. All the new primers go off with a minimal strike or what they call a progressive spring strike witch reduces the load on the gun's mechanism huge. So much nicer also to reduce main spring tension.
So, making a stirrup to withstand a softened main spring tension shouldn't be too difficult. The only issue I can see is matching the arch of the Stirrup so the hammer is in the correct position at battery.
You have that piece left so "go for it".
Murph.
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Andym22, these can be made as a DYI or a gunsmith can make one for you. I have no idea about the concept of a "softened" mainspring.
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.44 DA stirrup and pin.
Happen to have a .44 DA hammer in front of me, the only discernable difference between the .44 DA hammer stirrup and the early N and K stirrup is the width of the stirrup pivot pin - the part that attaches to the spring -
The pin through the hammer is the same dia. and length and maybe the important measurement being the pin hole to spring pivot pins is the same,
the eye ball caliper measurement being .315, the only notable difference between the OP dimensions and my hammer is the pivot pin width, mine being .243 and measuring several N&K stirrups they were anywhere between .222 and .238 which I don't believe would be a problem.
Anyway after this long post if you still need a pin and stirrup PM me your address and I will mail you one or two.
John.
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There is no reason in my mind not to introduce modern technology in springs to antique revolvers. The impact must Actually be experienced to understand Just how much nicer the action becomes. Some call them progressive springs. Others call them reduced impact springs. One of the many benefits is to reduce load on the antique mechanism. It’s amazing how much they change the action. The damage to your stirrup is ultimately from original main spring load. Which is way beyond what it needs to be in the modern world! I’ve installed a few on my shooters and it’s a game changer!
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Where does one find a "..progressive springs" or "reduced impact springs" for a "44 Double Action Frontier 44-40"? I'm in the market for one and they're not advertised anywhere that I can find. I'm thinking this is another DYI project.
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Progressive springs
Mike,
I personally have always purchased them at gun shows because they can be had much cheaper....Just look at the photo of the spring I posted and you see that tell tale rib down the middle? Often you'll see them in a parts box at gun shows and the dealer doesn't know what they are. I also will draw an outline of my original spring on a piece of paper, put it in my wallet and bring it to the show. If I see one in a box I will compare the spring to my sketch and that way you are guaranteed of a good fit. Some other brands have a cut out spring that has what looks like an engineered Truss or support beam? Those are awesome springs also. They look weak and are very thin but we are talking about High tech carbon spring steel and it's way better than the original and I would wager that it would never break unless abused badly.
Otherwise you can get them from Brownells, Accurate Arms, Wolff, and several others for about $15..Which to me is cheap for what they ultimately do to your gun.
I can't describe the difference in the action. You actually have to feel it. It's almost like the main spring is not in there the pull is so much nicer and lighter. You'll notice the difference though when you set the hammer down? The tension gently increases as it falls. High tech world we live in now.
I have no idea how they achieve this type of spring reaction but its very nice. I have a few SAA COLT shooters and the difference on a Single Action Army is beyond amazing from an original black powder era spring. See photo.
Oh, also as far as the Frontier 44WCF? I can't remember what spring fits that frame. I'll take a look at my shooter and compare it. It's been too long. I don't remember having to modify it though so it must be a spring from a modern swing out that fits the Frontier. You could ask the two venders that I listed?
Murph
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I'm in the same boat. My stirrup is broken on one side, but it still works though. Ideally I'd want it fixed, but parts are as rare as unicorndoodoo it seems.
Would sure be nice if some new tech startup or similar started manufacturing these old parts.
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Sounds like a call out to Uberti...or Val Forgett if he's still around.
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Check out Jack first gun. Com.
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There is no reason in my mind not to introduce modern technology in springs to antique revolvers. The impact must Actually be experienced to understand Just how much nicer the action becomes. Some call them progressive springs. Others call them reduced impact springs. One of the many benefits is to reduce load on the antique mechanism. It’s amazing how much they change the action. The damage to your stirrup is ultimately from original main spring load. Which is way beyond what it needs to be in the modern world! I’ve installed a few on my shooters and it’s a game changer!
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Hi Murph,
What do those Springs fit?
New Model 3?
.44 Frame size DA?
Where do you get them?
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