Thanks for the add.. My Dad gave me this gun before he passed away. I know its a S&W but would like to know if anyone knows what year it might be. My Dad told me that a Detroit police officer gave this gun to his dad witch must have be some time in the early 1900s because dad was born in 24. Dad said he used to play with this gun when he was a young boy and just kinda kept it.. As far as I know this gun has not fired a shot since the officer gave it to my Granddad. This is all I know about it. If anyone knows anything about these guns and would care to share any info with me I would surely appreciate it... Id like to get it fixed and shoot it...
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Welcome to the forums from the Wiregrass! It's a .38 Double Action. But we need the serial number from the butt frame of the gun to tell you when it shipped and what model it is.

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I am not too familiar with these, but I think it is a copy of an S&W

Those are S&W grips but the Crown+R proof mark on the right side of the barrel tells us that it's a belgian copy made after 1894. The S under a star next to the Crown+R is the inspector's proof.

I would bet you good money there is an ELG in a circle with a crown somewhere on the cylinder.

You will also note that the cylinder doesn't have horizontal cylinder stop notches, but uses a graduated cylinder stop that locks on only one side, which then uses pressure from the hand to lock the revolver when the trigger is pulled. This was common on many of the european revolvers (like early Webley RIC's), as well as some cheaper american top break examples (like Iver Johnsons or Harrington Richardsons top breaks). To my knowledge, all S&W revolvers have had proper cylinder stop notches since the Model 1.


My guess is your revolver was made around or before WWI. Orbea in Spain famously made a bunch of S&W top break DA copies around that time as well.

What caliber is it?

Yours might not be made by the same gunmakers, but apparently these top break S&W copies were fairly common:

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And here's an old auction listing for one looks identical to yours (mods please remove if against the rules to post)
Belgian Smith & Wesson Copy .38 S&W Double Action Top Break Revolver - C&R Ok For Sale at GunAuction.com - 11501717

Thank you all for your replies ..I used the chart that was shared and yes there are many of these symbols of this gun.The # on the butt is 3250, There is a crown with an R under it. The #3 in two different places on it. I call it a pine apple with the letters ELG in it on the yoke along with a crown with a C under it and a SW all on the yoke. Right under the yoke on the gun body there is a 3 TP. on the handle under the stock there is a 8 CM, or GM , JH Across the top of the barrel it says For S&W Cartridges , And on the back side of the plastic stock it is engraved 431992.. These are all of the making on this gun I could find....Id really like to have this gun repaired and shoot it ...are there any break downs or schematics of this gun out there ?
Thanks again..

Can you describe what's wrong/broken? The Belgian copies of S&W revolvers were inexpensive when new, maybe half the price of a similar S&W.

It will be difficult to find someone to work on this old gun. If you do find someone, cost of repairs is likely to exceed the material value of the gun. That it is a family heirloom may make it worthwhile. Replacement parts may not be available.

It's a neat old gun with a great family story. Good luck with it.

The "Crown over R" means it has a rifled barrel, a mark that became required after 1894. The markings on the frame are probably from the foundry where the frame was cast. These Belgian copies are difficult to source because many of the makers made the copies without the permission of S&W, so they did not want their names on them in order not to get sued. The number "3" may just be an assembly number.

This is No 307 in the Zhuk book. Unfortunately listed: "Smith and Wesson type, makers unknown.
There are 4 1/2 pages of Belgian top breaks, mostly S&W knockoffs, but some Webley lookalikes.

Parts and repairs are unlikely. I would shadow box it with a picture of Granddad.