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I'd love to see pics of your factory Ivory grips
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Old 05-22-2022, 04:58 PM
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Can I cheat with this one, (Model 3 Russian, Second Model, Commercial Variation) as you already said in another thread it was about the nicest set of ivory stocks you had ever seen. This revolver did not leave the factory with ivory stocks, in the opinion of our esteemed historian Dr Jinks, but was placed on this revolver by the distributor, M W Robinson, about October 1875.
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As an aside which may or may not have anything to do with large frame top-breaks, I was once informed by the good Dr. Jinks the factory did not provide ivory grips for the N frame (the large frame hand ejector)-----at least at the time of the Triple Lock revolvers.

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Old 05-22-2022, 05:57 PM
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As an aside which may or may not have anything to do with large frame top-breaks, I was once informed by the good Dr. Jinks the factory did not provide ivory grips for the N frame (the large frame hand ejector)-----at least at the time of the Triple Lock revolvers.

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I can't recall any Triple locks with Ivory but I would like to see some.
The non medallion walnut grips are some of my favorites
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Here's a S&W 44-40 Frontier with factory ivory grips. This Frontier was shipped in May of 1899 and still has it's original box with the serial number and "ivory" penciled on the bottom. For me it doesn't get much better that this!

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From what I gather, Pearl stocks were more expensive and more common than Ivories. (Go figure)

So, when you find factory Ivories, it's a thrill. I only have one (so far) it's a 4th model New Departure, nickel with a 5" barrel, shipped in 1900.

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Here are two of mine. A .22 Hand Ejector, Model M and D B Wesson's Grandsons .22/32 Heavy Frame Target with a Humpback Hammer.
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The New Model 3 Frontier shipped 1887 to Spencer, Bartlett & Co in Chicago. The 38 Single Action shipped 1886 to Emilio A Combaluzier in Mexico City. Both have Ivory grips added after shipment from the factory.

The Merwin and Bray or Plant revolver was included in the picture cause I really like it.
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The factory did put original ivory stocks on their revolvers, circa 1800- 1910, that I know of, as the records for most S&Ws of that period reflect what guns, by serial number, were manufactured with ivory stocks ( also other materials, like pearl, walnut, hard rubber, etc. ) I've had several pairs of carved ivory stock over the yrs that were carved exactly like the hard rubber type stocks ( cross hatched with the S&W logo in the circle ) but they didn't come to me with the gun, so I don't know if they were aftermarket or factory. The records I have for small frame S&Ws, where ivory is indicated, do not say plain or carved - just " ivory " and the serial number & model. A very small perentage of total production is listed as " ivory " stocked and mostly in the lower serial numbers early in production. For any of you who may have a Revolving Rifle with an ivory stock, you're out of luck as the records I have for those guns do not indicate what the stock material was, so I think probably all were walnut and any with ivory may be an aftermarket addition. Ed

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The factory did put original ivory stocks on their revolvers, circa 1800- 1910, that I know of, as the records for most S&Ws of that period reflect what guns, by serial number, were manufactured with ivory stocks ( also other materials, like pearl, walnut, hard rubber, etc. ) I've had several pairs of carved ivory stock over the yrs that were carved exactly like the hard rubber type stocks ( cross hatched with the S&W logo in the circle ) but they didn't come to me with the gun, so I don't know if they were aftermarket or factory. The records I have for small frame S&Ws, where ivory is indicated, do not say plain or carved - just " ivory " and the serial number & model. A very small perentage of total production is listed as " ivory " stocked and mostly in the lower serial numbers early in production. For any of you who may have a Revolving Rifle with an ivory stock, you're out of luck as the records I have for those guns do not indicate what the stock material was, so I think probably all were walnut and any with ivory may be an aftermarket addition. Ed
A picture of the the ones that look like the HR would be nice
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IBY, I SOLD THOSE CARVED IVORY "HR" COPIES TO FORUM MEMBER " GRIPS GUY" YRS AGO. ED
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My commercial Russian second model. Diamond SH.
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No letter, so, I don't know if ivory grips are original
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oxi81, please do not hold your breath as the <SH> was Shyler Hartly, a major distributor of Smith & Wesson in New York. I have a 2nd Model Russian that is nicely engraved with Ivory stocks. I believe the engraving and Ivory was added by SH.
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Schuyler, Hartley and Graham (without the Graham)? That is a confusing company since the stamping does not seem to fit the timeline for the name changes made. It would seem that it should have been SH&G during until 1880 and HG should have been next but never SH?

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Jacob Rutsen Schuyler (1816-1887), Marcellus Hartley (1828-1902) and Malcolm Graham (1832-1899) incorporated their company on March 1, 1854. In 1876 Schuyler retired from the company and by 1880 they changed the name to Hartley and Graham. Schuyler died in 1887. Malcolm Graham died in December 1899 and the company was reincorporated as M. Hartley Company. Marcellus Hartley died on January 8, 1902.
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Here's a S&W 44-40 Frontier with factory ivory grips. This Frontier was shipped in May of 1899 and still has it's original box with the serial number and "ivory" penciled on the bottom. For me it doesn't get much better that this!

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That is totally AWESOME!!
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