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Old 10-20-2009, 11:22 PM
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I have a 38 special CTG that I am having trouble determining exactly what it is. The serial number on the butt is 08_ _ _. The gun is nickel with pearl handles and has a 5in. barrel. The right side of the barrel has "38 S & W. Special CTG". The left side has "SMITH & WESSON". The patent and address information is on top of the barrel and dec 29.14 is the last date. The other serial number is the same but has what looks to be a 5 but I guess is a S??? The gun was evidently used in the Korean War, but that is about all I know about it. I have looked in the Blue Book and just can't find anything that matches the serial number range??? Any help would be much appreciated.
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CTG means cartridge.

Info provided is very scant but the serial should not start with a zero. Very possible there's a letter S prefix.

My guess based on the extremely limited info provided is that it's a 1905 4th Model Hand Ejector Military & Police Model made between 1947-1948 (assuming the presence of the S prefix).

Could be blue or nickel with 4, 5 & 6" barrels most common.

Does it look something like this?


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Yea, sorry about the limited info. but I just recently got this pistol and have never researched guns this much. I have found a new interest for sure, but am just not sure how to determine what it is. The numbers on the butt of the gun match the numbers under the barrel but the numbers under the barrel appear to have a S or 5 in front of them. Too me it looks like 508_ _ _, where the butt of the gun lacks the first digit. The butt of the gun doesn't appear to have any markings showing an attempt to remove the number. I don't know, I will keep researching and hopefully find something. Thanks for the help.
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S&W generally didn't use zero at the beginning. Serial 123 was not 0123 but just 123.

Still sounds like a M&P Model. Serial 508XXX would be from the late 1920s. The S prefix was added at the end of WWII but the numbers would be in the 900,000 range, not 500,000.

It's very possible the gun has been refinished (Are the hammer and trigger nickel plated? if so, sure sign of refinish as S&W never plated these) and the serial stamping partially buffed away.
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Just talked to Roy at Smith and Wesson. He said that the serial numbers including the 5 make it a 1925 model. He said that he didn't have an explanation for the missing number on the butt of the gun but that it did happen occasionally that one would be misstamped. The gun is original finish. the numbers are imbedded so to remove one would take some serious work that would be noticeable, I guess unless it had been refinished and the number filled in. The numbers on the underneath of the barrel match with the number on the back of the cyclinder so save to say probably that the number there is correct.

Saxon you were on the money. Thanks for the help.
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Hello All!

I have a S&W .38 Special CTG number on the bottom of the grip is V17649 number inside the loading area is G159207. Can someone tell me the year this gun was made? I believe it is nickel plated (looks like chrome) the handle is white with dark blueish markings on it. Fixed sights. Cannot remember patton dates. any help is appreciated!!
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You should start a new thread.

The V serial makes it a Victory Model made around 1942-43. Two basic versions are a 4" model in 38 S&W Special for U.S. sales and a 5" model in 38 S&W (No Special) for Great Britain.

It's been refinished so it has no collector value. Assuming the gun works OK they bring $200-$300 as shooters. The 38 Special version is worth a bit more because the 38 S&W caliber is expensive to shoot if you don't load your own ammo.
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We too have a gun like this. It has the dates on the top of the gun barrel. On the butt of the gun are stamped the numbers 283462. On the cylinder of the gun are the same numbers. The hand grips have a rounded top with the insignia of S&W on the grips at the top. We would like to know when this gun was manufactured.
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It's a S&W .38 special ctg and on the neck it says w9 and then a4 digit serial number starting with a 4. Any insight. I can't register it without model #. It was my grandfathers.
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We too have a gun like this. It has the dates on the top of the gun barrel. On the butt of the gun are stamped the numbers 283462. On the cylinder of the gun are the same numbers. The hand grips have a rounded top with the insignia of S&W on the grips at the top. We would like to know when this gun was manufactured.
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Sorry I didn't see this post at the time it appeared. You have a Model of 1905 .38 Military & Police. It was probably shipped in late 1917, but could have sat on the shelf in inventory for a couple of years more. In late 1917 and through 1918 the company was almost completely given over to producing the .45 caliber Model of 1917 under military contract.
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It's a S&W .38 special ctg and on the neck it says w9 and then a4 digit serial number starting with a 4. Any insight. I can't register it without model #. It was my grandfathers.
Welcome to the forum. What you are describing are process control numbers. Look on the butt of the gun for a longer number, perhaps with a letter prefix, and tell us what that is. You may see the same number on the flat underside of the barrel and on the rear face of the cylinder.

S&W revolvers did not have Model numbers until 1957, but earlier guns had distinctive model names. With the right serial number we can probably tell you what you have.

A photo would help too, but in the absence of one, tell us if this is a five-shot or six-shot revolver, and how long the barrel is; measure from the muzzle to front of cylinder. And does it have sights that are screw adjustable for windage and elevations, or is the rear sight just a groove in the frame?
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Can you look at my post and tell me about my pistol. I think it's a pre model 19 kframe 4 digit serial number starting with a 4 and also stamped w9 above it. The rest of the markings are the same as his
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Can you look at my post and tell me about my pistol. I think it's a pre model 19 kframe 4 digit serial number starting with a 4 and also stamped w9 above it. The rest of the markings are the same as his
Check my post no. 12, directly above your last post.

It won't be a pre-19 because the 19 was issued in .357 Magnum, not .38 Special. We can figure out what you have, but see if you can answer some of the questions I posed.
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We too have a gun like this. It has the dates on the top of the gun barrel. On the butt of the gun are stamped the numbers 283462. On the cylinder of the gun are the same numbers. The hand grips have a rounded top with the insignia of S&W on the grips at the top. We would like to know when this gun was manufactured.
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More than likely in the mid-1920s, assuming there is no letter prefix...
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I see now. 5 digit. K which I assume is K Frame. 84433. Sights have screws. Barrel is 5 inches.
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I see now. 5 digit. K which I assume is K Frame. 84433. Sights have screws. Barrel is 5 inches.
OK, that's a K-38 Masterpiece that probably shipped in 1950. Most of these at that time had 6" barrels, but a model called the Combat Masterpiece had just been introduced that had a 4" barrel.

Did you measure the barrel from the muzzle to the face of the cylinder? That's the proper length of the barrel, which includes the threaded part that goes through the frame. There were a very few 5" K-38s manufactured in the mid-1950s, but I suspect you have a six-inch barrel.

This model was introduced in early 1948. It became known as the Model 14 when S&W adopted model numbers in 1958.
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David, from seeing your many posts about S&W .38 specials, I recently inherited my great-grandfathers police issue(we believe) .38 special. It has a serial of C 219240 on the butt and the same can be said for the cartridge holder. Can you tell me more about my gun? Thank you!
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Welcome to the Forum. C 219240 would be a .38 Military & Police, later named the model 10, probably shipped in 1951. These came with a 2, 4, 5 or 6" barrel, measured from the muzzle to the cylinder face. Hope this is helpful.
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We too have a gun like this. It has the dates on the top of the gun barrel. On the butt of the gun are stamped the numbers 283462.

According to the database, 284xxx was shipped in 1918 and a 279xxx was shipped in 1917, so I agree with David that yours was made during WWI.
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Some quick advice to anyone just learning about your old revolver:
1) Old Smiths are addictive and tend to multiply. They seem to last forever and are wonderful shooters (usually). Enjoy!
2) Make sure your gun is is good working order before firing. Search the forum for how to inspect a revolver or take it to a competent gunsmith if you're not sure.
3) These old guns were not made to shoot modern +P ammo, so don't.
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I just received my great grandfathers 38 special ctg. He passed in the late 1960's and carried this gun for years. The serial number is 4085XX. There aren't any letters before the sn which is on the bottom of the butt. Can anyone tell me age of this gun? He fought in WWI and I was trying to figure out if he brought this gun home from the war.
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Default S&W 38 Special CTG with an S Prefix

I inherited from my father a Blue 38 Special S&W CTG with a 4" barrel, 6 shot, serial number S 8493**. Trying to do some research on the age approximate date of manufacture but I am stumped by the "S" prefix. It has what appear to be original walnut grips and when I roll out the cylinder, I can see the letter K stamped and the numbers 18035 stamped underneath. The serial number on the cylinder and the butt match.

I also inherited a Nickle 38 S&W CTG, 6 shot with a 4" barrel serial number C 3586**. When I roll out the cylinder on that one, it has a P stamped with the numbers 44380 underneath and underneath those numbers is stamped a 0.

Tried to attach a picture of each. Can anyone help with approximate Date of manufacture of these?
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CTG = "Cartridge" in reference to the caliber of the gun not the model. The ".38 Special" cartridge is just one of a number of .38 caliber rounds and by far the most common. Some early models used the ".38 S&W" cartridge which is shorter and very slightly larger in diameter. If it says ".38 S&W Ctg." on the barrel without the "Special" it was chambered for that shorter round (which are still made but not real common).

There is a sticky somewhere on the forum with a listing of date ranges by serial number/prefix which should help get you in the ballpark.
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Welcome to the forum. The S prefix on your .38 revolver is found only on M&P guns from the late 1945-early 1948 period. That serial number points to late 1946.

The other gun would have probably shipped in 1956. A couple of years later, guns of this pattern were referred to as the Model 10, after S&W went to numerical model designations for its entire product line.

Don't worry about the numbers you see on the hidden frame surfaces that become visibie only when you swing the cylinder out. At the time your guns were produced, numbers found there are merely temporary process control numbers that have no utility or meaning when the serial number is stamped on the gun and its parts. In subsequent years, serial numbers were stamped in this area, as well as model numbers, but that wasn't happening in the 1940s and 1950s.

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I inherited from my father a Blue 38 Special S&W CTG with a 4" barrel, 6 shot, serial number S 8493**. Trying to do some research on the age approximate date of manufacture but I am stumped by the "S" prefix. It has what appear to be original walnut grips and when I roll out the cylinder, I can see the letter K stamped and the numbers 18035 stamped underneath. The serial number on the cylinder and the butt match.

I also inherited a Nickle 38 S&W CTG, 6 shot with a 4" barrel serial number C 3586**. When I roll out the cylinder on that one, it has a P stamped with the numbers 44380 underneath and underneath those numbers is stamped a 0.

Tried to attach a picture of each. Can anyone help with approximate Date of manufacture of these?
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Thank you very much...very helpful.
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I recently found my great grandfathers gun and was curious if anyone had any information on it, date, etc. Any help would be appreciated:

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Oct, 8, 01; Dec 17, 01; Feb 6, 06; Sept 14, 09; Dec 29, 14

38 S&W special CTG

Serial: 2769**

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David, from seeing your many posts about S&W .38 specials, I recently inherited my great-grandfathers police issue(we believe) .38 special. It has a serial of C 219240 on the butt and the same can be said for the cartridge holder. Can you tell me more about my gun? Thank you!
Hi i have the same gun c 203836 it has a 4 inch barel and its a 6 shooter do you know what year it was produced
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Welcome to the Forum, LickyBubba.

S&W kept track of shipping dates, not build dates. Your revolver was probably shipped in 1951.
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I inherited a 38 S&W Special CTG nickel with mixture of light and dark plastic(?) grip. 4" barrel, 6 slot revolver chamber. Serial # inside by ejector is 51656 with a "Q" above and to the right of it. The serial # on the base of the handle has been filed or chiseled off. My father was in WWII, but he may have inherited it from my uncle who was also in WWII, Korea and head of Procurement for Pentagon around late '60's to '70's. my grandfather was in WWI. Don't know who owned it. Any help on the age and the type of 38 ammo I should use would be appreciated.
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