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Quiz - just for fun:
What S&W revolver uses this particular {type} lockwork?
Is it from a three screw, a four screw, a five screw; five shot, six shot, or a seven shot revolver?
I know what you're thinking, even though this is a pretty common looking assembly, the revolver is sort of not
too common and is not often seen.
I'll post some more pictures in a day or two.
{And I'll grade your papers at that time}.
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It's a 6 shot, 5 screw. Model is unknown to me.
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It's a 6 shot, 5 screw, pre-war kind of revolver.
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Why does everyone think it's a six shot? Clearly it is not. Short cylinder indicates it's probably chambered in .38 S&W, possibly .32 or .22. Maybe a Terrier or RP?
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Yep, as DWalt said, it's clearly not a 6 shot. Take note of the position of the flutes on the cylinder and it is clearly a 5 shot. But those circler "eyes" on the hammer and trigger are something I've never seen.
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My vote is for Terrier. Short, 5 shot cylinder. 5 screw. Chambers are too fat in relation to the flutes to be rimfire.or even .32.
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Definately pre-war. Definately 5 shot.
I'm thinking those extra pieces in the hammer and trigger may be brass bearings to reduce side play and friction between the moving parts, frame and side plate.
I'm guessing its some type of target gun. Possably a Regulation Police Target.
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pre war K frame six shot
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Obviously a 5 shot.
Obviously a short cyl.
So, it is a 38 S&W.
Those are 'chafing bushings' on the hammer and trigger.
They are there to provide bearing surfaces that keep the sides of trigger and hammer from rubbing the frame an scratching the case colors!
Since they disappeared early in the 20th century, there are only about two guns that could be-
38 Reg Police
38 DA Perfected Model
Since the bushings disappeared from the 38 M&P and the N frames around 1915-16, and since the 38 RP appears in 1917, I'm going to say it is most likely a 38 DA Perfected.
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I will be different
a five screw
seven shot
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Too easy Don, but still fun.
It's a Perfected Model in 38 S&W, and the version with a Thumb release latch in addition to the top latch. Now the version w/o thumb latch might have gotten by some.
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Here are a couple 38 Perfected revolvers, what I now call a 1st Model (without the sideplate hammer block) & 2nd Model with hammer block and a 1914 Patent date. I can tell that yours is a 1909 patent date or a 1st Model Perfected.
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Good eye Gary,
The absence of the cam on the cyl hand, is the give away.
And the spring/plunger on the thumb latch bolt w/o the screw makes Don's a later 1st model.
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Quote:
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Obviously a 5 shot.
Obviously a short cyl.
So, it is a 38 S&W.
Those are 'chafing bushings' on the hammer and trigger.
They are there to provide bearing surfaces that keep the sides of trigger and hammer from rubbing the frame an scratching the case colors!
Since they disappeared early in the 20th century, there are only about two guns that could be-
38 Reg Police
38 DA Perfected Model
Since the bushings disappeared from the 38 M&P and the N frames around 1915-16, and since the 38 RP appears in 1917, I'm going to say it is most likely a 38 DA Perfected.
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Quote:
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Obviously a 5 shot.
Obviously a short cyl.
So, it is a 38 S&W.
Those are 'chafing bushings' on the hammer and trigger.
They are there to provide bearing surfaces that keep the sides of trigger and hammer from rubbing the frame an scratching the case colors!
Since they disappeared early in the 20th century, there are only about two guns that could be-
38 Reg Police
38 DA Perfected Model
Since the bushings disappeared from the 38 M&P and the N frames around 1915-16, and since the 38 RP appears in 1917, I'm going to say it is most likely a 38 DA Perfected.
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Thanks for that explanation! I've wondered what those odd bushings were, as I have them on a my 1911 Triple Lock.
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Thanks for that explanation! I've wondered what those odd bushings were, as I have them on a my 1911 Triple Lock.
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True, plus LOTS of hands-on observation spanning over 5 decades now. It would be a poor mechanic who'd been turning wrenches 50+ years that could not tell the difference between a flathead Ford and a small block Chevy.
Plus, starting late in my second decade of life, and continuing on through the third, fourth, and early fifth decades, I killed off a few million superfluous brain cells with alcohol.
That created lots of room for data storage.
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. . . It would be a poor mechanic who'd been turning wrenches 50+ years that could not tell the difference between a flathead Ford and a small block Chevy . . .
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Quiz - just for fun, contd:
Thanks to all for participating in this short quiz.
As I said, this quiz is for fun, so all y-all {southern lingo} get a passing grade.
The subject is a S&W 5-shot top-break revolver in .38 s&w caliber.
I wanted to point out to those who aren't in the know just how
good and important the new lockwork that was designed in the late 1800's for the then new K-frame hand ejector really was. It was such a good design that the folks at S&W used it to replace the lockwork in the 'top-break' revolver after it
had already been in production for many years. This new variety of top-break revolver was named Perfected Model. It incorporated TWO latches.
Go to the internet and read up on why there's two latches, it's a great story about the cops and the bad guys.
One more comment for you boys and girls - stay safe, be happy, and have a great 2015.
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ps- there's more sheet metal on the SB Chevy.
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I wanted to point out to those who aren't in the know just how good and important the new lockwork that was designed in the late 1800's for the then new K-frame hand ejector really was. It was such a good design that the folks at S&W used it to replace the lockwork in the 'top-break' revolver after it
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When you say the K frame was designed in the late 1800s, you are running right up to the turn of the century with the Model 1899, which was a 38 Special, but the Perfected was built on the I frame, not the K frame action. The I frame that the Perfected was design from, first appeared on the Model 1903, available in 32 Long caliber, 6 years before the introduction of the Perfected.
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ps- there's more sheet metal on the SB Chevy.
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What's the difference between a Chevy and a GMC?
GMCs have lock washers....
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When you say the K frame was designed in the late 1800s, you are running right up to the turn of the century with the Model 1899, which was a 38 Special, but the Perfected was built on the I frame, not the K frame action. The I frame that the Perfected was design from, first appeared on the Model 1903, available in 32 Long caliber, 6 years before the introduction of the Perfected.
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Hi Gary and all;
Forgive me for confusing anyone when I singled out the beloved "K" frame; I should have just said all {all} S&W hand ejectors and this one and only {Perfected Model Top-break} from the years 1896 thru Jan 01, 2015 {today}.
Best wishes, - Don
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Don,
No worries, I for sure have been there, done that many times, and most of us with more posts than you have probably as well.
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Don,
No worries, I for sure have been there, done that many times, and most of us with more posts than you have probably as well.
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