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Old 01-28-2015, 10:56 PM
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Looking for the manufacture date or shipping information on a civilian Victory with SN# V 555640. No military markings or proofs, but with a lanyard ring and civilian textured stocks.
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V555640 would indicate shipment in the March-May 1944 period. With no topstrap property stampings, it would likely have been made for stateside civilian use. Original stocks would have been smooth wood, not checkered. It should also have a phosphate finish, not blued.
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I assume that your revolver is a 4 inch .38 Special. If that is the case I can tell you the following. The serial numbers in the range recorded in the Victory Model Database are scattered over much of 1944. Understanding that the Victory was not shipped from the factory in strict consecutive serial number order, from close serial numbers in the Database I would estimate that your revolver likely shipped from the factory in the June-August 1944 time frame.

With no markings as you describe the revolver likely was a DSC shipment. These went to many DSC-authorized destinations such as defense plants, law enforcement agencies and public utilities. In this case you would need to get a factory letter ($50) in order to obtain a precise ship date and destination.

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Hello, I am hoping to find out some info on a victory model I have. Does anyone know how to find out what year it might be from? The serial number is V71507 and it is a 4" and has smooth grips and lanyard ring on the butt end. Any help or info would be greatly appreciated.
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Hello, I am hoping to find out some info on a victory model I have. Does anyone know how to find out what year it might be from? The serial number is V71507 and it is a 4" and has smooth grips and lanyard ring on the butt end. Any help or info would be greatly appreciated.
That's a pretty early one, late summer/early fall 1942. Since it has a 4" barrel, I assume it's in .38 Special? Does it have the US property stamp on the topstrap?
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Hello, I am hoping to find out some info on a victory model I have. Does anyone know how to find out what year it might be from? The serial number is V71507 and it is a 4" and has smooth grips and lanyard ring on the butt end. Any help or info would be greatly appreciated.
1942 for sure - but early Victory SNs don't seem to track so well with shipping dates as the later ones do. Mid-1942 should be close. With a 4" barrel, it should be chambered for .38 Special and smooth wood grips and a lanyard swivel should be correct. The SN should also be stamped on the inside of the right grip panel if the grips are original to the revolver. If military, it should have a property stamp on the topstrap.
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Hope some on can help on the model and year of mfg.
I purchased an 38 smith and Wesson handgun the serial number is 524574 it appears to be an M&P or a Victory double action.
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Unless there is a V in front of the number, this is the wrong thread, and you might want to start a new thread. The number as such indicates a mid-1920s M&P.
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Hello, I'm a new owner of a victory model with no us military markings. On the barrel 38 s&w special ctg and the serial number is v170520 any info would be greatly appreciated thanks...
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Hello, I'm a new owner of a victory model with no us military markings. On the barrel 38 s&w special ctg and the serial number is v170520 any info would be greatly appreciated thanks...
Assuming that the finish is original and no markings have been removed, your gun shipped most likely in late 1942, November or December, (but possibly in early 1943), on a contract from the DSC (Defense Supply Corporation) to a non-military user in the US somewhere or to the US Maritime Commision at one of its receiving depots. When factory letters are available for order again, that may be an option (unlike on military Victorys, which didn't ship to end users). Sometimes DSC guns went to interesting recipients.

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Old 01-11-2016, 08:52 AM
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One of DSC's functions was to supply guns for essential home-front civilian users, typically law enforcement or security guards at defense plants. Ordinary citizens could not buy new guns at that time, as virtually all production went to the military, just like cars (although limited numbers of Plymouth autos were available to certain civilians). DSC guns were made in larger numbers than for the US Maritime Commission, and yours is statistically more likely to be a DSC.
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Old 01-11-2016, 09:25 AM
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Thanks very much! I will post some pics later today. I found a flaming bomb on the butt last night.
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I have a Victory model with the following markings:

Serial Number: V 5052xx (under barrel, under butt, on cylinder and on extractor)
Barrel Markings Left: SMITH & WESSON
Barrel Markings Right: .38 S&W SPECIAL CTG
Barrel Markings Top: SMITH & WESSON SPRINGFIELD MASS. U.S.A.
PATENTED FEB.6.06 . SEP.14.09 . DEC.29.14
Crane and Crane Recess: 50091 S
Frame Top Strap: Ordinance “flaming bomb” symbol and, 'US. PROPERTY G.H.D.
Upper left frame: "P" proof

Interested in the build/ship time frame and also, I have a friend interested in purchasing so I'm trying to get some idea of what it's worth before the "Friend Discount." Not even sure I want to let it go after everything I've read about peoples fondness for them and it was my grandfathers.

It is fully operational and in good condition. He made custom add on mahogany grips and I'm pretty sure he blued it although I wonder if it really was Parkerized originally?

Any insight into what I have would be appreciated!
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Old 05-05-2016, 07:57 PM
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V 5052xx suggests an early 1944 shipment. If it has been blued, and you are the best judge of that, it's just a shooter, worth what someone will pay for it as such, and it has no collector value. If he will pay $300, take it.
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V 5052xx suggests an early 1944 shipment. If it has been blued, and you are the best judge of that, it's just a shooter, worth what someone will pay for it as such, and it has no collector value. If he will pay $300, take it.
I suspected it would be something like that. That's exactly what my grandfather used it for. At the range!

Thanks for the quick reply!
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I have a S&W Victory Model with:
5 Inch Barrel
Parkerized Finish (was under black paint), possibly 2nd finish because markings are faded
Serial #V719370
Chambered (unaltered) for S&W 38 ctg
No markings can be seen on back strap
Import mark under barrel from CAI
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Old 09-20-2016, 02:31 PM
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I have a S&W Victory Model with:
5 Inch Barrel
Parkerized Finish (was under black paint), possibly 2nd finish because markings are faded
Serial #V719370
Chambered (unaltered) for S&W 38 ctg
No markings can be seen on back strap
Import mark under barrel from CAI
Walnut grips
Yours was very close to the end of the line for V-prefix Victories, as shortly thereafter, the improved drop safety was incorporated into the design around very early 1945. At that time, the SN prefix was changed to SV. Yours was very likely shipped around November 1944. Yours was also fairly near the end of the line for the .38/200 BSRs, as the British ceased ordering them early in 1945. You are very fortunate yours has not been rechambered. Any other markings on it? Could be Australian.

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Well, it arrived, there is some stuff going on here I don't understand.

I think I have enough pictures here for you guys to tell me what's what with this? At least as far as you can go without a letter.













and for good measure:





All the numbers on the gun match.

Nothing on the back of the stocks. No pencil or markings at all.

You should be able to blow up any of the images pretty big.

I think this thing is just the bees knees. I'm really curious to see if anyone knows anything about the extra markings on there.
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Old 09-22-2016, 04:10 PM
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Grips look like real ivory. Wonder who "The Greek" was?
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My guess is that it is one of the Victory Model revolvers turned over after WWII for German police, hence the markings on the back strap (which I can't quite make out). Also, the style of carving on the ivory (oak leaves/acorn) is stereotypical of German engraving. What markings are on the butt with the serial number? A large W, perhaps?
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Old 09-22-2016, 04:59 PM
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I believe most of the German and Austrian Civil Police were armed with .38/200s during the postwar occupation period, but that doesn't mean that there weren't some in .38 Special. The fact that there is no property stamping on the topstrap (at least not that I can see) indicates that it is probably not a military revolver. Knowing the SN might help to establish a little more about that.
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My guess is that it is one of the Victory Model revolvers turned over after WWII for German police, hence the markings on the back strap (which I can't quite make out). Also, the style of carving on the ivory (oak leaves/acorn) is stereotypical of German engraving. What markings are on the butt with the serial number? A large W, perhaps?
Just a flaming bomb and V123572

I have noticed that S has been stamped on it on the face of the cylinder, the crane, and the frame too.
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V123572 would date from around November 1942. My best guess is at that time, it is very likely to have been a DSC revolver, made for stateside civilian use by police, defense plant guards, etc. as those did not have property stampings. There are a few others shipped without property stampings, but all military Victories did. The other stampings on the butt could well have been applied as inventory or rack numbers, etc. A factory letter might help if you are willing to pay the $75 to (maybe) find out more about it.
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Didn't we see this gun with these "The Greek" stocks in an earlier thread here not too long ago?

I think we can ignore the stocks as we have no idea whether these were even originally made or meant for this Victory.

The key is the number on the side of the frame and the word or acronym on the backstrap, which I can't make out partly due to the misaligned stamping and partly the angle and lighting of the photo.

Something like ? ? P ? N K S maybe? Stumped.
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I have noticed that S has been stamped on it on the face of the cylinder, the crane, and the frame too.
That S is of no particular significance. It would only matter if it were on the butt by the V and on the sideplate where the 151 is located, because then it would indicate a gun upgraded to the new hammer block safety.
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Doesn't fit, but maybe BRINKS (armored car)? I can't make it out from the picture either, definitely hand-stamped, and crudely so.
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Doesn't fit, but maybe BRINKS (armored car)? I can't make it out from the picture either, definitely hand-stamped, and crudely so.
It's just as hard to make out in my hand, that picture actually cleared the letters up.

I might see about.. what is it White Crayon that guys use for old markings sometimes?
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Fellas,

I would appreciate lil help. Picked up a nice Victory model today along with US Govt holster (person said original to gun). Little info on gun: topstrap is stamped "U.S. Property G.H.D." In front of the "U.S." is a small insignia that I can't ID. Right side of the barrel has ".38 S. & W. Special CTG". On top of the barrel is stamped "Smith & Wesson Springfield, Mass." with patent dates of Feb 8, 1908; Sept 14, 1909; and Dec 22, 1914. Right side of frame behind the cylinder is "Made in U.S.A." and a trademark stamp. Also, has multiple P markings and few S markings. Still has lanyard and original grips numbered to gun. On bottom of gun and inside cylinder is S V 777892.
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You appear to have a late US Victory model from early 1945, manufactured after the new hammer block safety was introduced and put into production. This reportedly happened around V 769,000, and guns with the S added to the V prefix began actually shipping in mid-January, according to Charles Pate's book, the standard reference on these.

It has standard military proofs and markings and would have shipped to a Navy yard or Army depot for further distribution.
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Absalom,

Thanks for the info.
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By the way, the holster could well be original to the gun, but not necessarily from WW II, since the Victory was in use for a long time after, in some cases right up to the adoption of the M9 in the 80s. If you post a picture, there are folks on this forum (not me ), who could likely tell you more.
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I would appreciate lil help. Picked up a nice Victory model today along with US Govt holster (person said original to gun). Little info on gun: topstrap is stamped "U.S. Property G.H.D." In front of the "U.S." is a small insignia that I can't ID. Right side of the barrel has ".38 S. & W. Special CTG". On top of the barrel is stamped "Smith & Wesson Springfield, Mass." with patent dates of Feb 8, 1908; Sept 14, 1909; and Dec 22, 1914. Right side of frame behind the cylinder is "Made in U.S.A." and a trademark stamp. Also, has multiple P markings and few S markings. Still has lanyard and original grips numbered to gun. On bottom of gun and inside cylinder is S V 777892.
Info such as date, country of service, etc would be much appreciated.

Thanks
The earliest of the SV-series revolvers I show on my list is SV 7628xx, with an unknown shipping date, but likely in January 1945. I have never seen any solid information as to exactly how many went to the US Military, the British Military, or to other users. There were numerous SV frames and components remaining in factory inventory which were assembled after the war's end in August 1945 and sold on the open civilian market during the early months of 1946. Those would not have the U. S. PROPERTY stamping. The total number of SV-series revolvers is approximately 50,000. With the U. S. PROPERTY stamping and in .38 Special caliber, it is very probable yours was initially sent to a U. S. Navy depot sometime in 1945. In later years, it's possible that it could have been used by other branches of the U. S. Military. As noted, many Victory revolvers remained in U. S. Military service throughout the Vietnam era and even beyond.
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The earliest of the SV-series revolvers I show on my list is SV 7628xx..... I have never seen any solid information as to exactly how many went to.... the British Military.....
None. There were no SV prefix revolvers in .38 S&W (.38-200) shipped by S&W to British or Commonwealth destinations during WW2.
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Old 06-12-2017, 09:42 AM
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My brother in law recently passed away and let me a 38 special Victory model revolver. I am trying to determine the ship date and any other information on this firearm. The S/N is V136931
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Last month at OGCA I was fortunate enough to acquire another 4” US Property G.H.D.Victory revolver serial V720558, All indications would leave me to believe that its was only factory fired but who will ever know.

Often times, during the wheeling and dealing stage they come with a story and this one is no exception, the seller told me this Victory was sold for $50.00 out of a armory back in the 70’s or 80’s located near Columbus, Ohio. He said the Victory revolvers were wrapped in a triangular piece of waxed Kraft paper and supposedly this is the piece that came with this gun. I suppose this story could be feasible.

Along with this story he said Stevens trench shotguns were sold for $70.00.

Anyone here have any information concerning the validity of “the story or the waxed paper”.

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I hadn't had all the girls out for a while. One a navy marked the rest
US property. None of the grips number match.

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Hoping to get a date and maybe some history on this old Victory model 38 S&W revolver. Thanks in advance. Eric
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Interesting. A very late British Service version of the Victory, Dec. 1944 or even early January 1945.

It was issued to German police in the occupation era after WW II. The POL LUN is a stamp I have not seen, but my educated guess would be POLIZEI and either LÜNEBURG or LÜNEN, both in the British zone.

It was handed back to the British, because it was surplused out and commercially proofed before 1955 in Birmingham. It was also refinished at some point, and the stocks are not original.
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Interesting. A very late British Service version of the Victory, Dec. 1944 or even early January 1945.

It was issued to German police in the occupation era after WW II. The POL LUN is a stamp I have not seen, but my educated guess would be POLIZEI and either LÜNEBURG or LÜNEN, both in the British zone.

It was handed back to the British, because it was surplused out and commercially proofed before 1955 in Birmingham. It was also refinished at some point, and the stocks are not original.
Thank you for the info. I'ts amazing - I never shot it and was thinking about selling it but I think I might hold onto it because of it's neat history. A local dealer offered me 200 for it not long ago. EDR
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Just picked up a beautiful blued Victory. .38 Spl, 4". SN V4598xx
I suspect it is a DSC contract as to no USG markings andit is blued. Thoughts ?
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Just picked up a beautiful blued Victory. .38 Spl, 4". SN V4598xx
I suspect it is a DSC contract as to no USG markings andit is blued. Thoughts ?
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If it is blued, it is not original. That SN probably shipped around 11-12/1943. Probably originally a DSC.
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Greetings.

I live far across ocean from US and recently I came across Victory with serial number V6366112 P.
Anyone wise has idea what production year can it be?

Thanks for any help.
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Anyone wise has idea what production year can it be?
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Your serial has one digit too many, so I suspect a 6 or 1 got typed double.

Assuming a V 636-range gun, it would be from the summer of 1944, likely June/July.

The P is a proof and not part of the serial.
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Thanks.

My fault. Indeed serial i typed had doubled 1. It is V636612 P.

For some time I was looking for excuse to buy another revolver (we all need one from time to time) and I finally found one that had caught my atention.

It probably has no real collector value becaouse based on photos someone did some tinkering on him (3 inch barrell and front sight in dovetail) but i like it as it is. When I have the time I will make a trip to see it in person.
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