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Old 05-23-2010, 06:52 PM
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I bought a 27-1 today. The bore is pitted. The barrel has a scratch and a couple of smooth but blotchy areas. The frame and internals are quite good. Although the sideplate has minor freckling and one small rust "patch" under the grip area. I have been searching for a 27 (I don't have one) and was looking for a shooter and I was suprised to see the -1 on the crane...I just assumed it was a 27-2.

I didn't know the bore was pitted until I got it home and ran a patch. It's not a nightmare as most of the rust is near the crown, but it's not a bore I'm proud of....

The vendor said he took it in trade about an hour before I walked up and "hadn't had a chance to clean it." I honestly believe him based on the wy the gun was displayed. This gun was not labeled at all. I don't think he had a chance to make up a tag for it. The bore looked okay before I ran a patch.

No grips (had pachmyer's on it)...cylinder indicates "L" and numbers to the gun. Overall I think "shooter" fits well as a description except for the bore.

I have a total of tax, tags and all of $450 in it. Is the -1 rare enough to make up for the bore? Thanks for any help.
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Old 05-23-2010, 07:05 PM
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edited to add that the cylinder appears plum in the pictures but does not appear that way in person. Interesting. Maybe the camera unveils reblueing of some sort?

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Old 05-23-2010, 07:21 PM
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I think you're OK at $450 for a 5in shooter, the bore boogers probably won't effect it's shootability one way or the other, shoot it and see.

If you bought it to collect, you may have a right to be disappointed, but to shoot I say you're fine.

edited to add, serial number looks like 1961/62
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I just bought a 27-2 shooter, also a 5 inch, with Hogues and a fairly beat up finish. I paid $600 for it, but it has a nice bore, action, and locks up great. I bought it because it's the first 5 inch model 27 I've seen for sale (in person) in several years.
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Old 05-24-2010, 09:55 AM
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I just bought a 27-2 shooter, also a 5 inch, with Hogues and a fairly beat up finish. I paid $600 for it, but it has a nice bore, action, and locks up great. I bought it because it's the first 5 inch model 27 I've seen for sale (in person) in several years.
I have been looking for a 5 inch M27 to shoot for a while and was tickled to spot this one. When I saw the -1 I pretty much made up my mind to pay the asking price. It checked out great (lock up, indexing, minor flame cutting, etc.) except for the obvious cosmetic issues on the barrel....hence shooter status. And affordable.

I believe the vendor when he said he just took it in and hadn't cleaned it yet. A bore light revealed the bore looked dirty but it didn't look bad. The pitting near the muzzle didn't reveal itself until I ran a brush and patch.

I'm just wondering if the -1 is, in fact, a rarity?

@Ga Johnny...I'm optimistic that the "bore boogers" will not affect shootability in this case. The lands and grooves appear strong.
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I would have paid that price for that gun. I picked up a six-inch pre-27 shooter in slightly better condition than you describe a couple of months back and paid a lot more for it. The rarity of a dash-one would not be that important to me in a shooter, but it might give the gun some interest and a little additional value in the future if you ever decide to look for a different one and let this one move on.

I doubt the light pitting near the bore will matter at all, but the barrel is long enough for you (or a successor owner) to shorten if it turns out there is a problem that needs an aggressive solution.

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I would have paid that price for that gun. I picked up a six-inch pre-27 shooter in slightly better condition than you describe a couple of months back and paid a lot more for it. The rarity of a dash-one would not be that important to me in a shooter, but it might give the gun some interest and a little additional value in the future if you ever decide to look for a different one and let this one move on.

I doubt the light pitting near the bore will matter at all, but the barrel is long enough for you (or a successor owner) to shorten if it turns out there is a problem that needs an aggressive solution.

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10-4. Thank you sir. I don't usually look for affirmation when it comes to gun purchases. Frankly, I think the value of any gun is highly subjective to the individual who is buying it. That said, this one is a bit "unique" and I wanted to run it by the S&W experts here.

I may also keep my eyes open for a clean bore 5" 27 barrel.
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I may also keep my eyes open for a clean bore 5" 27 barrel.
Per the SCS&W: "Premium for Model 27-1".

You've got a bit of a rarity there as the 27-1 was introduced in '60, then the 27-2 debuted shortly thereafter in '61. I would happily pay $450 for it, since IMHO, it has the perfect barrel length and is a rare bird to boot. Besides, you can shoot this one without worrying over every little bump or scratch.

"A Model 27 for the price of a Model 28!" How could you go wrong?

Unless accuracy is truly abysmal (which I doubt), you should refrain from going the barrel swap route, as you would sink a fair amount into it for little (if any) return on investment. You may actually lower its value. Shoot and enjoy this one while keeping your eyes open for its upgrade replacement. You may decide that this one is just too good to let go.
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I took the one below to the Reliant Show in Houston this weekend.
Put under glass with description and a "Not for Sale" sign.
Received many offers from S&W buffs.
One offered $1500.00 for the rig at a "right now sale".
I passed.
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Is that a 27-1? Very nice rig you have there.
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27-1 with Berns-Martin rig.
Waiting on the S&W letter.
Info recevied to date it belonged to a Texas Sheriff.
"27-1's" appear to be few and far between is not rare..and I hate that word.
The holster had a buy hit at $350..I will not split the package.
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Xfuzz, I just found your thread from a few weeks ago with the details of your gun. If you learn any more about production numbers, facts, etc. about 27-1's please let me know. I have checked gunbroker and googled 27-1 today while "working." There's not much info out there.
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I've got a M19 w 2 1/2" barrel that has some bore pitting. Doesn't affect accuracy at all but it is a little more challenging to clean. $450 for a M27 5" shooter ain't bad.
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Hey gang...I'm in the market for a 5" barrel. I put an ad in the WTB section. This bore bugs me. I shot it tonight after work and the trigger is sweet. Really good groups from a rest too. I can't help myself though. I probably won't make the swap immediately, but I really would like to find a decent barrel for her. It's the principal of the thing I s'pose.
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