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Old 06-10-2010, 06:34 PM
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Saw another thread in this section that was looking for a 2 digit serial number for a Chief Special. I am curious about the early K22 Outdoorsman. I read that the first one, numbered 632132, was presented to Douglas Wesson. Who has early ones, what are the serial numbers, and where were they shipped? If everyone is like me, and you know you are, we like pictures. Show em if you got em.
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=boykinlp;135506975 I am curious about early the K22 Outdoorsman. I read that the first one numbered 632132 was presented to Douglas Wesson. Who has early ones, what are the serial numbers, and where were they shipped? If everyone is like me, and you know you are, we like pictures. Show em if you got em.
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I can't tell you what the early serial numbers are of the First issue Outdoorsman's but I can tell you that the First 500 of them, shipped with a gold bead call sight. After that, they switched the sight bead material to stainless steel and called it "bright silver". It was a cost cutting measure that stuck with the series until the final ones were made in 1939. This one is in the middle of the run of the First series K-22 Outdoorsman's that shipped in June 1936... It is one of my Favorites and shows the Height of S&W pride in it's fit & finish..










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This is one of the nicest revolvers in my collection. I have never
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Hey guys, those are two gorgeous Outdoorsmans! I don't believe I've ever seen any nicer ones. The bluing is exceptional! Even the boxes are in great shape! I don't mean to hi-jack this thread, but may I ask what kind of value you both would place on those?
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Hey guys, those are two gorgeous Outdoorsmans! I don't believe I've ever seen any nicer ones. The bluing is exceptional! Even the boxes are in great shape! I don't mean to hi-jack this thread, but may I ask what kind of value you both would place on those?

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I have to be honest with you, I never really thought about what Value my Outdoorsman is. It came to me by a bad stroke of Luck. The owner of it ahead of me, had been stricken hard by the Katrina storm. It tore his roof off his house and he shared with me that was the only reason he would have considered getting rid of it. At that time being 1999 he had a price of $1300.00 on it. I was not offended with his price and spotted it prior to the gun show opening to the general public as I was set up there myself.






I asked him if he would be inclined to a swap offer ? He said he would have to see what I had to offer so I sped home and grabbed a Refinished K-22 Model 17-2 I had that had a real nice Nickel refinish on it, and a model 19-4 Nickel plated 4" Barrel full target .357 Magnum K-Frame revolver that was unfired in it's box. I sat down a few minutes before returning to the show, and laid the flitz to both of them so they looked stunning. I took them both to his table and asked how about a swap of Two for one today ? He felt it was a good trade, so home the Outdoorsman came.




Actual cash wise, I had $700.00 total in the two revolver's I swapped to him, so I felt it was even a Better trade for me. These have taken a rise in price the past few years as all classic S&W's have, and current prices of them seem's to be around the $1800.00-$2000.00 Mark as a complete package. I would never consider selling or Trading mine as they are too hard to find in this condition, unless of course a better one came along, of which I have not seen in the past 11 Years...
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Checkered walnut grips; delivered to Mr. Joseph E. Gaudreau, Springfield Police Department, Springfield, MA (this revolver was provided to Mr. Gaudreau on an advertising account at no charge and picked up at the S&W factory per Victor Wesson); this was the 20th K-22 First Model serial numbered. Now with factory added 4-inch barrel, numbered to gun; sideplate engraved ''1930 PRESENTED TO JOSEPH A GAUDREAU BY VICTORY WESSON''; with ''star'' (*) and date ''5 47'' on butt frame
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Don's #632,151 is the prize winner in my K22 database as being the earliest one I've recorded. (He even beat out that infamous K22 hoarder from KY ..)

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Where did you get the 500 number for Call Gold beads?
I haven't seen this before and would like to document it in my database.
I have serial #634,815, shipped 6/23/31 to R.C. Marshall Co., Lynn, OH with a gold bead. This is a couple of thousand into the serial range. (Of course the Outdoorsman were numbered in the regular K-Frame series so the number aren't consecutive.)
The DB shows gold beads being used up until app. July or August of '31. (As close as I can get using shipping dates)
I also show several Call Golds on much later guns all the way through production, so it must have been available on special order.

(Also, I don't seem to have your fine piece on my database. Would you mind sharing the serial, sight bead, rear sight number of screws, shipping date and where shipped? I don't need the full serial if you prefer not to list it. Just the first 3 or 4 digits will do.)
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Harold Wesson issued the order to make the stainless bead standard for the K-22 in Sept 31.
The order had been issued in Jan 31 to make the call gold bead standard on the K-22.

I don't think he changed to stainless to save money- the gold is not real gold. I can only guess that it was to give the K-22 a unique feature.

I, too, have observed gold on some later guns.
I have one currently in the 644000 range with stainless bead and one screw rear sight.
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Don's #632,151 is the prize winner in my K22 database as being the earliest one I've recorded. (He even beat out that infamous K22 hoarder from KY ..)

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Where did you get the 500 number for Call Gold beads?
I haven't seen this before and would like to document it in my database.
I have serial #634,815, shipped 6/23/31 to R.C. Marshall Co., Lynn, OH with a gold bead. This is a couple of thousand into the serial range. (Of course the Outdoorsman were numbered in the regular K-Frame series so the number aren't consecutive.)
The DB shows gold beads being used up until app. July or August of '31. (As close as I can get using shipping dates)
I also show several Call Golds on much later guns all the way through production, so it must have been available on special order.

(Also, I don't seem to have your fine piece on my database. Would you mind sharing the serial, sight bead, rear sight number of screws, shipping date and where shipped? I don't need the full serial if you prefer not to list it. Just the first 3 or 4 digits will do.)


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I want to think I read the First 500 Outdoorsman's had the gold bead sight then it changed to stainless in either Carl Helstroms book or possibly The Neal & Jinks book. Harold Wesson was the one who placed the change in sight material on them as I remember it. My sight blade is Bright Silver as it was called and the rear leaf has Two screws in it.
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Great gun with some very interesting history. Since it was picked up at the factory, is there an exact date that this occured or just the 1930 date that was engraved on the sideplate? Also, how did you find out it was the 20th one serial numbered? Was it in your historical letter? I would love to see some pictures.

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That is diffinitely the height of S&W pride in its fit and finish. The box is amazing too.

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Wow, your gun looks amazing. The case colors on the hammer are spectacular. The grain in the grips is superb. That would have to be one of the top guns in anybody's collection.

Who else has some they are proud of?
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It isn't as pretty as the ones posted above, but I still like it.

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No box, but pretty nice if you look past a couple of small blemishes on the sideplate. 1934 vintage.







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I have one currently in the 644000 range with stainless bead and one screw rear sight.
I think you sold that one to me, at least the serial number, stainless and single screw describe it perfectly.


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Here's one I'm pretty happy with......
Serial 677,751, shipped 6/19/39 to Dave Cook Sporting Goods, Denver, CO.
(and yes, it letters with the Magnas)
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The top one s/n 633912 has the gold bead and shipped in May of 1931. The bottom one is s/n 651198 and it has the silver bead.

Anyone have pictures or information on the first type of K-22 box? Would like to know when the red picture box came out.

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All these nice K-22 1sts have got my "Want More" juices flowing. (I've only got three.)
One I've read about, but have never seen is one in factory nickle. Anybody got one and willing to share a picture or two??
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From the great pictures you guys have been showing, I have noticed something that puzzled me. Some of the Outdoorsman models had a small S&W logo on the left side of the frame while others have a large logo on the right side of the frame. When and why did this change take place?
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From the great pictures you guys have been showing, I have noticed something that puzzled me. Some of the Outdoorsman models had a small S&W logo on the left side of the frame while others have a large logo on the right side of the frame. When and why did this change take place?
In May, 1936, the order was issued to add "Reg. U. S. Pat Off" in an arc at the bottom of the logo.
Rather than add it to the small logo on the left, S&W went back to the large logo on the sideplate that had been used earlier in the century.
The first guns were marked with the new large logo on sideplate in July, 1936.

Today, we see small, left-side logos on post-war guns that have the "Reg U.S. Pat Off" below them, but most or all are NOT as small as the left-side pre-war logos.
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"Great gun with some very interesting history. Since it was picked up at the factory, is there an exact date that this occured or just the 1930 date that was engraved on the sideplate? Also, how did you find out it was the 20th one serial numbered? Was it in your historical letter?"
The date for pickup was January, 24, 1931. In the previous owners letter from Roy Jinks, he indicates the gun was probably given to Officer Gaudreau the previous year. The letter I got on it reads, "This revolver was the 20 K-22 First Model serial numbered." I collect Club Guns, and I consider this to be as close to a Club Gun as you can get.
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The letter I got on it reads, "This revolver was the 20 K-22 First Model serial numbered." I collect Club Guns, and I consider this to be as close to a Club Gun as you can get.
I don't have the capability to photograph at this time. Sorry.
I am going to show my ignorance now. What is a Club Gun?
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Club Guns are Pistols and Revolvers that the first number in the serial number start with 0. They were given out to gun clubs as prizes or gifts to people. Some were marked CLUB PISTOL. There are about fifty that have only 0 as the serial number. I have three, a Ladysmith 0, a 2nd model .32 Safety Hammerless, 00000 and a First Model .22 Single Shot 0. I hope this helps.
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I realize that nothing is set in stone with S&W. But.......

The 1st K22 Outdoorsman was SN 632132 and Don's 20th made K22 is SN 632151, which is 20 numbers from the first, must it be correct that all the numbers in between went to K22's. If so, I wonder how many more would have been in that first batch?

Since it was the start of a new gun, would they say "make 30" to get started or just make them to fill pre orders or to give to sales reps?
Maybe deadin will have some insight on this from the early ones in his database.
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BTT. Hoping for some more pictures before this thread dies.
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Here a couple of old photos of mine:





Notice the grip adapter and marked holster.
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How could we miss those? Only K-frame adapter I've noticed here besides mine. I don't have one of those cool holsters though,just a ratty old red box.
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I have a red box too, but it didn't make the photo shoot.
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Notice the grip adapter and marked holster.

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Awesome package, especially knowing you also have the red box. Did the grip adapter and holster come with the original gun purchase? Have you had it lettered?



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How could we miss those? Only K-frame adapter I've noticed here besides mine. I don't have one of those cool holsters though,just a ratty old red box.
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Where is your pic? We would love to see a 2nd K-frame adapter and hear your gun's story. Also, I seem to remember you looking for a red box for awhile. Your quest apparently wass successful.
How the weather in the mid-state.....looks even rougher than here.


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Figured out who HMW was?
Was it a factory inscription?
Is there a band of engraving (wheat chaff) around the cylinder?
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I liked the Anrew W. Mellon identification (AWM, with the surname initial in the middle).
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" Is there a band of engraving (wheat chaff) around the cylinder? "
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Is this called wheat chaff?


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So that would be no, no and no?
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So that would be no, no and no?
I'll try to do better.

1. Andrew W. Mellon. (Andrew W. Mellon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

This was one of two Outdoorsmans presented to him. The other is a 38/44.

2. No

3. I don't know if it's "wheat chaff" engraving. If you can tell by the pic I'd appreciate the info.

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I have one. It's no gem but I sure enjoy shooting it...other than the vicious recoil!

It letters shipped to the City of Mayfield, NY as is on 10/9/39. Perhaps a dog catcher or police trainer gun. Speculation is 1/2 the fun. It's got one of those funny hammers.



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It's got one of those funny hammers.

Have I ever asked you about the serial number? Is it between 673,000 and 675,000?

You guys are making me feel bad again. My only K frame adapter is on a lowly 2nd model.
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Sorry GF, I thought you were kidding about Mellon!?

Wheat chaff is a term I've hear engravers use for this form of repetitive decoration. It is usually used as a border. I've also heard of a variation called "mule shoe" for whatever that's worth? Either term would be a graphic description.(The surname is usually the largest and middle initial in a monogram.)

That revolver begs for more story? Who made the presentation, when and what for? Any more engraving on the other side? What happened to the magna's, or the domed sideplate screw? The 38/40?
It's a very cool revolver and one might imagine that there really IS a "rest of the story" for that one? Might I have missed another post?
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1. Andrew W. Mellon. (Andrew W. Mellon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

This was one of two Outdoorsmans presented to him. The other is a 38/44.

2. No

3. I don't know if it's "wheat chaff" engraving. If you can tell by the pic I'd appreciate the info.

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Actually, GF only presents the flattering parts of the story (the parts flattering to him.)

I almost had to pistol whip him and drag him across the aisle to view the gun. Only then, after continued beatings and questioning his common sense, sexuality, and sense of loyalty to S&W did he condescend to buy the gun for almost nothing.

Even after he bought it, he continued to cry about having to pay half price for a great condition Outdoorsman. For proof, go back and read the threads about it, and him crying about who the original owner was. Wait until Doublesharp wakes up from his slumber and reads this! Poor GF will be lucky to hold his head up at the next gun show.
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Dick,
This gun's serial number: 6789xx

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Actually, GF only presents the flattering parts of the story (the parts flattering to him.)

I almost had to pistol whip him and drag him across the aisle to view the gun. Only then, after continued beatings and questioning his common sense, sexuality, and sense of loyalty to S&W did he condescend to buy the gun for almost nothing.

Even after he bought it, he continued to cry about having to pay half price for a great condition Outdoorsman. For proof, go back and read the threads about it, and him crying about who the original owner was. Wait until Doublesharp wakes up from his slumber and reads this! Poor GF will be lucky to hold his head up at the next gun show.


Unfortunately, SirBurg recently had major surgery. When one is under anesthesia for a long period of time there is irreversible brain damage.
The part of the brain that is affected most is memory.

As I remember the sale, he wanted me to look at an Outdoorsman that was "all scratched up". I patiently explained that it was not damaged, but engraved.
I really don't think he ever comprehended what was transpiring, so I got him a cold drink and led him back to David Carroll's table so Joe could look after him so he wouldn't wander off.

Then, and only then, when he was safe with an adult did I go back and pay a fair price for the revolver.

Whew...... !

Now - SDH, you know I didn't even notice that one screw is not domed. GOOD EYE! (rburg removed it when I wasn't looking, you can bet on that.)

The stocks are numbered to the gun and are original. As far as the presentation to Mellon goes I'm still waiting on a coupla' letters and it's hard to pin down. This guy was quite a shaker & mover so it'll be cool to find out, and I will find out.

The 38/44 isn't far from me and I hope to rejoin the two in the future.

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This gun's serial number: 6789xx

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Here is 657597. Grips #.

The way I remember the Mellon gun deal is there was this dumb ***** dealer who displayed the gun backwards and upside down, mixed in a case with a bunch of Jennings and Lorcins. Frakes and Burg were both attracted. Joe came over to investigate the commotion and the dealer uncovered the Mellon special. Frakes didn't want the gun but he needed the grips so he anted up while Joe and Burg argued over the Jennings dob. As for me, I was back at Guns-N-More slobbering over the near naked babes they use as a come on.

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Don's #632,151 is the prize winner in my K22 database as being the earliest one I've recorded. (He even beat out that infamous K22 hoarder from KY ..)

Hammerdown,

Where did you get the 500 number for Call Gold beads?
I haven't seen this before and would like to document it in my database.
I have serial #634,815, shipped 6/23/31 to R.C. Marshall Co., Lynn, OH with a gold bead. This is a couple of thousand into the serial range. (Of course the Outdoorsman were numbered in the regular K-Frame series so the number aren't consecutive.)
The DB shows gold beads being used up until app. July or August of '31. (As close as I can get using shipping dates)
I also show several Call Golds on much later guns all the way through production, so it must have been available on special order.

(Also, I don't seem to have your fine piece on my database. Would you mind sharing the serial, sight bead, rear sight number of screws, shipping date and where shipped? I don't need the full serial if you prefer not to list it. Just the first 3 or 4 digits will do.)
Hello Dean, just to let you know, all the good K22's are not living in the USA!! ha Didn't realize you had a data base for them or I would have been in touch sooner. As you know I have problems with photos , but will get some to you soon. I have 2 , s/n 671475 which is a 90%+++ gun and s/n676648 which is 90%+. This one also has British proofs for each chamber as well as under the barrel and on the right side under "MADE IN USA". Above the s/n on the butt is stamped " NOT ENGLISH MAKE".
As soon as I can get photos I will email them to you so you can post them for me.
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I got one of these early K-22s for sale in the classified section. I have know idea about these guns but do know it is one of the first gold beed guns. If anyone is interested in a good shoot grade gun, send me a pm on the one I have for sale. I have a nicer one now and need to thin the heard so she said. HAHA
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