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Thanks for the information, I got the gun from my dad and not looking to sell it.
Now I know what kind of ammo to buy so I can shoot it.
I'll pass it down and keep it in the family.
I really appreciate your help.
Don't know where you are located but if you have a Cabela's near you you can order it from their website and have it shipped to their store saving you shipping 50 rounds is $32.00 this who I got mine through now I have dies and bullets for reloading but if you just wanted some to have buy a few boxes and call it a day.
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The .32-20 Hand Ejector Thread-image-jpg32 wcf ctg serial # 78945 , what year was it made , I was thinking 1916-17
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Yea I'm new to this and not sure how to upload pictures, and was just wanting to know how tight should the 32-20 bullet fit in the cylinder, ?
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"...how tight should the 32-20 bullet fit in the cylinder?"
Can you elaborate on your question? I have no idea what your statement means. Yours probably shipped in 1917, at least I show one with a nearby SN which did.
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What I was meaning is does the bullet supposed to fit pretty snug or kinda loose to where if you turn it upside down they can fall out freely or should they be snug enough to where you'd have to use the extracter to push them out , unfired ones that is , the pistol looks like it's practically new , was well taken care of or never hardly used , but I just noticed that when loaded the shells aren't real snug fitting in the cylinder, is it supposed to be not to snug fitting for maybe expansion after firing , thanks
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Factory ammo should chamber easily, and if the loaded cylinder is inverted, unfired rounds should fall right out. Fired cases would probably not fall out on their own but require at least a little nudge from the extractor.
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My first 32-20.
After finding a 1905 4" Target in 38 Special and then another 1905 38 with a 5" barrel, my gun budget was shot.

But then, I found this 32-20 Target lingering on the web. How could I not put it on layaway ?
Serial range 133XXX




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Hello I am new to the forum but I have a Smith & Wesson Second Model 1902 .32-20. I bought it in a sealed case it has a trade mark on it. Very nice gun. Just wanting some info on what it is worth if anything at all. Thanks so much
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Here's one I picked up yesterday for 399. Numbers match but not the grips. 1905 First change.
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Hi, I need help Identifying the specific model number and manufacture date for this gun. SN is 144xxx it appears to be all original as everywhere I look has the same SN i.e. cylinder, underside of barrel and even under the wooden handles. It does have the paten numbers on top of the barrel, Smith & Wesson on the left barrel and 32-20 CTG on the right. It also has the trade mark stamp on the left side of the frame. Its in kinda rough shape finish wise but feels smooth as glass mechanically. I do not plan to sell it as it was my grandfathers, I just want to know for my own curiosity, and maybe a value for insurance purposes.
I read somewhere not to shoot modern factory loads through it, Of course I want to shoot it, any thoughts?

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Dmc21,

The last known serial number for this model is 144,684. I understand caution, but it would be very interesting to know the full SN of your gun. It is generally accepted that the last year of production of the cal. .32-20 "Winchester Model" hand ejector was 1929 or 1930. They were catalogued until 1940 or 1941 though. It is pretty safe to say yours was made in the final production year.

The caution to "Not shoot modern ammunition" is completely unfounded. ALL currently manufactured .32-20 ammunition is perfectly fine to shoot in any firearm of any type chambered for this cartridge.

At one time, there was a "Hi Speed" or "High Velocity" load for Model 1892 and '92 Winchester and equivalent rifles only, but this has not been loaded for some 50 years. It was loaded with a full-jacketed, round nose, hollow-point bullet so if you do find some old ammunition it is easy to identify! Any cartridge with a flat-point bullet, either jacketed or Lead, is perfectly safe to shoot in revolvers.

Nice 5"! Finish is pretty average, hardly "rough". Value should fall somewhere around $400-450.
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Welcome to the Forum.

You have a .32-20 Hand Ejector Model of 1905-4th Change. Model numbers weren't assignd by the factory until 1957 and this model was discontinued prior to WW II.

.32-20s are fun guns. Yours probably shipped in the 1930s. The last known serial number is 144684.
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Thanks for the info guys, the SN falls in line before the last known.
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Saw a listing on GB a few hours ago for a 32 Hand Ejector Second Model. Usually not a big draw for me, but something didn't look quite right.



Upon closer examination, I saw the caliber stamped on the barrel.



Never had a nickel gun, and not fond of refinishes, so I looked a little closer.




Hmmm, now my interest is piqued, so I check the bids. Starting bid of $100 and Buy It Now of $150 !

I just want to thank all who contribute here for sharing their knowlege and giving those of us just starting out in the wonderful world of S&W an idea of what to look for.

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A Model of 1902, ca. 1908. .32 Winchester = .32-20. Not the prettiest girl at the ball, but worth $150 as a shooter assuming the bore is not rusted out. Probably re-plated at some time.

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Is it listed as a 6" or as a 6 1/2"? Hard to tell, but it looks like original nickel to me.
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Is it listed as a 6" or as a 6 1/2"? Hard to tell, but it looks like original nickel to me.
It's listed as 6, but I'm guessing (hoping) 6 1/2".
I couldn't see a "B" on the barrel and the ejector star looks blue, so I took it to be original.

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Hi
c. 1908 is about right.
Both the 6" and 6 1/2" barrels were offered at the time. I can't tell from the pic either.
I'm with Muley - I don't see anything that would indicate a refinish, at least not from these pictures.

I'm sure you know the stocks are not original.

At $150 I would be all over that one. It could be a very fun shooter. Go get it!
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c. 1908 is about right.
Both the 6" and 6 1/2" barrels were offered at the time. I can't tell from the pic either.
I'm with Muley - I don't see anything that would indicate a refinish, at least not from these pictures.

I'm sure you know the stocks are not original.

At $150 I would be all over that one. It could be a very fun shooter. Go get it!
I might have sprained my finger when I hit that BIN button.
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^^^^^^^^

What Jack said! I see nothing in your photos that gives the slightest indication that your gun has been re-finished. A good photo of the sideplate would be definitive.
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What Jack said! I see nothing in your photos that gives the slightest indication that your gun has been re-finished. A good photo of the sideplate would be definitive.
Best I can do until I have it in hand.

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Thank you. It is only due to all the good advice and the lessons I have learned from participating in this forum that I felt confident in my decision to jump on this. You guys rock !

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Hi all,
This is a great thread. I've been a 32-20 fan since shooting my Grandfather's Colt revolver as a teenager in the 50's but I put off acquiring any until recently. Others have posted Colts so I'll show my 32-20 family - a 1923 Remington Model 25 pump, a 1920 Colt Army Special, a S&W 32-20 HE (Model of 1905, 4th Change I think) and a 1980's Jager Dakota SAA clone. I shoot a light load of Unique with 85gr jacketed bullets in all of them.

The S&W HE is SN 84107 with all matching numbers including stocks. I think the SN would place it around 1920. 6" barrel. Only about 50% blue on the frame but it locks up solid and shoots well. Much better trigger than the Colt in my opinion. Am I correct in identifying it as a 32-20 Hand Ejector Model of 1905, 4th Change?

Left side of barrel: "SMITH & WESSON"
Right side of barrel: "32 WCF CTG"
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"SMITH-WESSON SPRINGFIELD MASS USA PATENTED" "OCT.3.01.DEC.17.01.FEB.6.06.SEPT.14.09.DEC.29.14"
No visible markings on the frame
Diamond stocks with gold medallions.

Thanks for all the 32-20 pix, Tom
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"The S&W HE is SN 84107"

849xx shipped in 1/20; 850xx shipped in 3/20. Those are the closest SNs I have listed. Yours may have shipped in late 1919. Cylinder heat treating started at SN 81287 in 9/19. It would be a .32-20 Military and Police Model (M&P). S&W did not use the "Model of 1905" terminology that late, but some collectors still do. Do the stocks have a matching SN? They could well be original at that time.
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Thanks for the info DWalt. The stocks do have the matching SN written in pencil diagonally across the right stock near the top. Faint but readable. I tightened the hammer spring screw a few turns - what's the best way to determine the correct setting?
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Thanks for the info DWalt. The stocks do have the matching SN written in pencil diagonally across the right stock near the top. Faint but readable. I tightened the hammer spring screw a few turns - what's the best way to determine the correct setting?
It should go in all the way. Some loosen the screw to get a lighter DA pull, but that is not a good idea.
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I recently inherited a 32-20 HE and am trying to get a handle on what grips to try to find. Serial number is 127XX and it has 32 Winchester CTG on the barrel. Any help in id or manufactoring date will be appreciated. It has been poorly reconditoned, so I will make this one a shooter. I would like to find a set of wood grips.
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Your Model of 1902 (or second model, first change) probably shipped in the 1904-05 period. Unfortunately, I don't have any SNs very close to yours listed to be more precise. The correct grips for that time would be black hard rubber. You might find a pair of originals on eBay, and there are numerous replicas available. If you don't care about having the original type, wooden and rubber round butt K-frame grips to fit it abound, both new and used.

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Who on the Forum has the lowest number and who has the highest number. Any information from factory letters or connections with family histories or law enforcement would be welcome. Model revisions and changes in markings could be noted as well. Those who still shoot theirs regularly could post tales and fi
According to the Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson, I have a Mo del of 1902. It has a serial number of 7xxx. Could sure use a new barrel. Kind of rough looking on the inside. Will have to load up some nice mild cast boolit loads & take her out and see how it does. I'm stuck working now for awhile. As soon as things let up a bit, I'll get to it. I'm in the market for another one of these soon!
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Posted in HE thread but I spent a lot of time lately reading this entire thread and wanted to include her here.
Mine is SN 977XX from around 1921, Model of 1905, Fourth Change. Looks and feels great. Has two repair dates stamped in grip frame '48. Possibly replated but fine job as all stampings are crisp, no nickel on hammer, trigger or star. It's a 5" barrel. Bore and action are great, no hammer push off. It should have a heat treated cylinder as it appears that started with #81287. All numbers match on frame, barrel, cylinder, on star, and on yoke as seen through charge hole. Stocks appear to match but the penciled number is too difficult to read but correct grips with very good checkering.
Got some 115gr Ultramax ammo and may get her to the range this week or next.
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Posted in HE thread but I spent a lot of time lately reading this entire thread and wanted to include her here.
Mine is SN 977XX from around 1921, Model of 1905, Fourth Change. Looks and feels great. Has two repair dates stamped in grip frame '48. Possibly replated but fine job as all stampings are crisp, no nickel on hammer, trigger or star. It's a 5" barrel. Bore and action are great, no hammer push off. It should have a heat treated cylinder as it appears that started with #81287. All numbers match on frame, barrel cylinder and on yoke as seen through charge hole. Stocks appear to match but the penciled number is too difficult to read but correct grips with very good checkering.
Got some 115gr Ultramax ammo and may get her to the range this week or next.
Have you checked the grip frame, under the grips, for a date stamp? Something like 8.54 would indicate a trip back to the mother ship in August 1954.
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Have you checked the grip frame, under the grips, for a date stamp? Something like 8.54 would indicate a trip back to the mother ship in August 1954.
Looks like 7/48, 2/49. I know it should have a mushroomed ejector rod knob so that must be one job.
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Yup, it made two trips back to Springfield MASS.
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Gentleman, I am posting this very rough .32-20 WCF 1902, as a tribute to Smith & Wesson, and the amazing quality of their pre-war revolvers. This revolver was listed on GB, as simply Antique Smith and Wesson Six-shooter. I have four .32-20 Smiths, and one 1892 Winchester, in .32-20, and love this caliber. BIN was $119.00, and seller was unsure of the caliber. Serial # put it in .32-20 range, so I took a chance.Upper side plate screw was missing, Stock on the left side had a very large chip, and old goo from duct tape.Two fingers off the star extractor, are missing. The good news. Still very tight, exceptional trigger pull, single and double action, all numbers match, including the grips. Wiil get it to the range soon.
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