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Emailed the Historian and he got back to me in a couple minutes. Here is his reply
"It's Boston Police they might have sent it to the Dorchester District always has been Boston Police. Just like they call the East Boston Police."
I would think an actual factory letter would say Boston Police, but no guarantees. All BPD guns were stamped BPD and a rack number, even the target guns. I wonder if there was a stamping on the backstrap or butt (they usually were marked in one of those two places)
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Thanks! When I have access to the gun I'll look closely at it to see if has maybe had markings removed.
When I got that letter from Roy my immediate suspicion was that someone ordered a personal target gun and just had it shipped there for a police discount. Have you seen anything like that?
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I haven't but I am sure it happened. I used to use it for a discount at Burger King and now I use my disable vet discount anywhere I can!
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I have a friend who was good friends with a Boston retired detective, who moved to Maine for a while back about 10 years ago. He sold him two guns, that he told me were issued to him at one time. One was a colt detective special and I know who has it now and it was not marked. The other was a S&W model 59 it was like new so I don't think it was carried, It had the box and I was told it turned up missing from the house of the guy who bought it. I didn't see them on your list so I thought I would mention them.
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I have a friend who was good friends with a Boston retired detective, who moved to Maine for a while back about 10 years ago. He sold him two guns, that he told me were issued to him at one time. One was a colt detective special and I know who has it now and it was not marked. The other was a S&W model 59 it was like new so I don't think it was carried, It had the box and I was told it turned up missing from the house of the guy who bought it. I didn't see them on your list so I thought I would mention them.
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The Colt Detective Special is on the list, but everyone I know about is marked BPD, are you sure it wasn't ground off? I have never heard of a S&W Model 59 with the BPD.
I will check with Steve regarding both guns and get his input and let you know.
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are you sure it wasn't a 659?
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According to my sources, the Boston PD Historian and a BPD Detective who is an authority on what guns Boston carried, it is possible the Colt was unmarked, but they carried 659's not 59's.
A factory letter on either would answer the question.
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Thanks! When I have access to the gun I'll look closely at it to see if has maybe had markings removed.
When I got that letter from Roy my immediate suspicion was that someone ordered a personal target gun and just had it shipped there for a police discount. Have you seen anything like that?
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This is what probably happened, it makes sense. List updated as well.
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I agree with the luck part, I was calling the guy about a .22 he had for sale and in chit chatting it came out that he had this BPD gun that he really didn't want to get rid of, I guess I found the right trade (a 1911 WWII).
A QUESTION: on the S&W Model 10's and the Ruger Single 6 and the more modern guns, did BPD roll mark or do any kind of BPD Marking on the guns?
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Hello...I have a Colt Commando 38 special marked B.P. D. with a 4 digit number..I purchased this gun from Marble Hardware in Wareham Ma. somewhere in the late 60's...They had a board with like 50 of them stuck in it...I noticed you are looking for Boston guns...I am in the process of trying to determine value,the prices seem to be all over the place...Would you be interested ?
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Like anything it all comes down to condition. Some people feel any markings including the police markings hurt the value of a gun, but police collectors such as myself actually look for them. But then that being said the 3 things that determine value are condition, condition, condition.
Of course rarity also helps. My S&W pre-Model 45 was one of only 20 guns the BPD had and 1 of only 40 (or 50) that Smith ever made so that adds to the value. The Commandos were not rare and there is not record of how many they had but at a guess it was hundreds, so it is condition based.
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the Model 45 in .22 is actually a Pre-45 it is a recognized model by S&W per Roy Jinks Smith Historian.
S&W made 25 6" barrels, 20 of them to BPD, I know of 3 others, 1 in Michigan one in Florida and supposedly one down the Cape. They are very rare and quite pricey
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I see BPD carried some 659s. I have one that I was told went to the Atlanta PD but Roy said "It was shipped to a PD far away from Atlanta." But it appears BPD guns are always department marked and mine is not. So still wondering. But not enough to pay for a letter to find out. Your collection is impressive.
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This is what probably happened, it makes sense. List updated as well.
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The resurrection of this thread caused me to re-read it.
Great thread by the way!
But I maybe should also note in case it was missed, that the SWHF got documents on my gun:
http://smith-wessonforum.com/140368934-post7.html
So the gun went to 'Dorchester PD' but was actually for a State Policeman. So not a BPD gun.
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Great info SixGunStrumpet, Thank you. List updated.
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Had a nice 2 inch 36 BPD marked round butt with magnasthat now resides with a certain S.Kelly. I still have a 2 inch round butt model 10 from the Metropolitan District Commission.
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Trying to find info on a Victory model
sn V1625.
Black, converted by Cognswell and Harrison.
When was it made
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I missed this thread, over the years! I have sn 694106, a 2" .38 M&P. It's marked B P D 118M, and was shipped to the Boston PD July 7 1940. I wrote a story about this gun, and 694105, an identical gun. The BPD order was shipped, because LEO's were exempt from DSC controls. 694105 did not ship until late 1946, along with a whole bunch of 2" M&P's.
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Trying to find info on a Victory model
sn V1625.
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Welcome to the Forum.
You need to start your own thread since your question doesn't fit here. You'll also get more responses. Please post pictures and include the new caliber.
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Had a nice 2 inch 36 BPD marked round butt with magnasthat now resides with a certain S.Kelly. I still have a 2 inch round butt model 10 from the Metropolitan District Commission.
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I had a 2 inch Model 10 with MDC markings. Let me know if you want to part with it!
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I have two BPD marked Victories, both letter to the Maritime Commission but was told by the person who got them from the BPD armorer many years ago when they were disposing of them that they had been acquired by BPD and hand stamped. I can believe that because they slightly bent the backstrap when stamping them with BPD and a rack number.
No other provenance than that.
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I am going to be selling most of my BPD collection including my Glock 19, a couple riot guns and many handguns. I will be keeping my Boston Police Pistol Team Collection which includs my 3 Colt Officer Model Targets (sequentially serial numbered from 1932) and the two Colt Woodsman .22 targets (sequentially serial numbered) and the .22 Colt Officers model target and the S&W .22 Pre-45. as well as one snubby. THis way my family won't have as much to deal with when I pass away. I am putting together a list of what I am going to be selling. of course they are pretty much all on Home - Boston Police Fan site Memorabilia Equipment Photographs
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