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Emailed the Historian and he got back to me in a couple minutes. Here is his reply
"It's Boston Police they might have sent it to the Dorchester District always has been Boston Police. Just like they call the East Boston Police."

I would think an actual factory letter would say Boston Police, but no guarantees. All BPD guns were stamped BPD and a rack number, even the target guns. I wonder if there was a stamping on the backstrap or butt (they usually were marked in one of those two places)

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Thanks! When I have access to the gun I'll look closely at it to see if has maybe had markings removed.

When I got that letter from Roy my immediate suspicion was that someone ordered a personal target gun and just had it shipped there for a police discount. Have you seen anything like that?
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I haven't but I am sure it happened. I used to use it for a discount at Burger King and now I use my disable vet discount anywhere I can!
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I have a friend who was good friends with a Boston retired detective, who moved to Maine for a while back about 10 years ago. He sold him two guns, that he told me were issued to him at one time. One was a colt detective special and I know who has it now and it was not marked. The other was a S&W model 59 it was like new so I don't think it was carried, It had the box and I was told it turned up missing from the house of the guy who bought it. I didn't see them on your list so I thought I would mention them.
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I have a friend who was good friends with a Boston retired detective, who moved to Maine for a while back about 10 years ago. He sold him two guns, that he told me were issued to him at one time. One was a colt detective special and I know who has it now and it was not marked. The other was a S&W model 59 it was like new so I don't think it was carried, It had the box and I was told it turned up missing from the house of the guy who bought it. I didn't see them on your list so I thought I would mention them.
The Colt Detective Special is on the list, but everyone I know about is marked BPD, are you sure it wasn't ground off? I have never heard of a S&W Model 59 with the BPD.
I will check with Steve regarding both guns and get his input and let you know.
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are you sure it wasn't a 659?
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According to my sources, the Boston PD Historian and a BPD Detective who is an authority on what guns Boston carried, it is possible the Colt was unmarked, but they carried 659's not 59's.

A factory letter on either would answer the question.
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Thanks! When I have access to the gun I'll look closely at it to see if has maybe had markings removed.

When I got that letter from Roy my immediate suspicion was that someone ordered a personal target gun and just had it shipped there for a police discount. Have you seen anything like that?
This is what probably happened, it makes sense. List updated as well.
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I agree with the luck part, I was calling the guy about a .22 he had for sale and in chit chatting it came out that he had this BPD gun that he really didn't want to get rid of, I guess I found the right trade (a 1911 WWII).

A QUESTION: on the S&W Model 10's and the Ruger Single 6 and the more modern guns, did BPD roll mark or do any kind of BPD Marking on the guns?
Hello...I have a Colt Commando 38 special marked B.P. D. with a 4 digit number..I purchased this gun from Marble Hardware in Wareham Ma. somewhere in the late 60's...They had a board with like 50 of them stuck in it...I noticed you are looking for Boston guns...I am in the process of trying to determine value,the prices seem to be all over the place...Would you be interested ?
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Like anything it all comes down to condition. Some people feel any markings including the police markings hurt the value of a gun, but police collectors such as myself actually look for them. But then that being said the 3 things that determine value are condition, condition, condition.
Of course rarity also helps. My S&W pre-Model 45 was one of only 20 guns the BPD had and 1 of only 40 (or 50) that Smith ever made so that adds to the value. The Commandos were not rare and there is not record of how many they had but at a guess it was hundreds, so it is condition based.
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the Model 45 in .22 is actually a Pre-45 it is a recognized model by S&W per Roy Jinks Smith Historian.

S&W made 25 6" barrels, 20 of them to BPD, I know of 3 others, 1 in Michigan one in Florida and supposedly one down the Cape. They are very rare and quite pricey
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I see BPD carried some 659s. I have one that I was told went to the Atlanta PD but Roy said "It was shipped to a PD far away from Atlanta." But it appears BPD guns are always department marked and mine is not. So still wondering. But not enough to pay for a letter to find out. Your collection is impressive.
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This is what probably happened, it makes sense. List updated as well.
The resurrection of this thread caused me to re-read it.

Great thread by the way!

But I maybe should also note in case it was missed, that the SWHF got documents on my gun:

http://smith-wessonforum.com/140368934-post7.html

So the gun went to 'Dorchester PD' but was actually for a State Policeman. So not a BPD gun.
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