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Old 09-08-2011, 12:18 AM
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Old 09-08-2011, 12:33 AM
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Interesting, thanks for sharing.
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This definately motivates me to request a letter for my Model 1917. Great revolvers Lobo, that pre-Victory is especially interesting.

I've always wished that S&W had made 4" Model 1917s (or even Colt for that matter). I know S&W made the Model 22 later, but I mean in the initial run of 1917s, at least for the commercial models. Seems like for WWII it would have made sense that instead of the Victory .38s, they could have had one standard pistol cartridge, and pilots and support personnel would have had interchangeable ammuntion. It wasn't until the '80s the Army did away with the .38. I was a company Armorer back then, I remember thinking it was odd that the .38 spl (S&W Model 10, Ruger Service Six) was still in inventory with the .45, and thought it would have made more sense if the victory models had been the same caliber (the Army's fix was to get rid of all of them in favor of the M9, 9MM, of course). Dimensions and weight increase would have been minimal for a 4" .45 ACP revolver, at least to my way of thinking. Then we would have had thousands of .45 ACP Victory models with sleek little 4" tubes to enjoy!!! We would also have had the Ruger service six (Okay, now you know I'm dreamin') in .45 ACP! But then of course, all our Model 1917s would be just another "old gun".
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i have one of those 1917's with the concave grips and
no serrated hammer. mine is serai number 25000 range. nice guns
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Old 09-08-2011, 08:38 AM
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George, according to what I have read, yours should be at the end of the timeframe for the serrated hammer and concave stocks. You may very well have one of the last ones made that way.
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Old 09-08-2011, 10:52 AM
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That's a nice trio of history you've got there.
I particularly like the 1917.

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I'm guessing the ordnance acceptance mark on your 1917 is COL Stewart's (GHS)?
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This definately motivates me to request a letter for my Model 1917. Great revolvers Lobo, that pre-Victory is especially interesting.
What exactly do you expect your letter to say different from this one? I agree the letters on the Victory's are interesting because they show something different then the norm. Most military gun letters are going to show the same thing as the vast majority of the guns only shipped to a few places. I question the need to load Roy up researching guns like 1917's. YMMV.
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I'm guessing the ordnance acceptance mark on your 1917 is COL Stewart's (GHS)?
You are correct.
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What exactly do you expect your letter to say different from this one? I agree the letters on the Victory's are interesting because they show something different then the norm. Most military gun letters are going to show the same thing as the vast majority of the guns only shipped to a few places. I question the need to load Roy up researching guns like 1917's. YMMV.
I'm inclined to agree with Mack on the 1917, other than pinning down the ship date. Very nice 1917!
The Victory letters are interesting. I assume that your defense supply model 38 special Victory is not "US Property" marked. I may have to get my own Victory lettered someday to find out where it went.
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I'm inclined to agree with Mack on the 1917, other than pinning down the ship date. Very nice 1917!
The Victory letters are interesting. I assume that your defense supply model 38 special Victory is not "US Property" marked. I may have to get my own Victory lettered someday to find out where it went.
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Right. No markings other than the V pre-fix serial number and the ordnance bomb.
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What exactly do you expect your letter to say different from this one? I agree the letters on the Victory's are interesting because they show something different then the norm. Most military gun letters are going to show the same thing as the vast majority of the guns only shipped to a few places. I question the need to load Roy up researching guns like 1917's. YMMV.
Thanks for the advice, Mack. I won't bother him then.
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Very nice guns with interesting histories.
I've got a 1917 that shipped May 23rd of 1918 to the Springfield Armory.
I'll try to get a picture of it.
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Very nice guns with interesting histories.
I've got a 1917 that shipped May 23rd of 1918 to the Springfield Armory.
I'll try to get a picture of it.
They might be cousins
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Thanks for the advice, Mack. I won't bother him then.
I'm sorry, but I think Mack is out of line with his remark. You pay your $50.00 fee for a factory letter and Roy or one of his staff gets the information and the letter is typed up.

I don't believe you would be "bothering Roy". If they didn't want to put out the factory letters, than they would not provide the service. If you want to know about your 1917, by all means go ahead and get the letter.

I'm not trying to start an argument with someone, but the statement was uncalled for.
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Old 09-09-2011, 11:23 PM
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I agree. I plan on lettering my model of 1917 as it was shipped to Lt. A.C. Trego at the Springfield Armory. Lt. Trego was in charge of the Ordnance Department overseeing production of all S&W model of 1917 Army DA .45 revolvers and it turns out that it was his personal gun. There is no United States Property marking, no US Army marking on the butt, no flaming bombs and no eagles or large "S" inspector stamps to be found.

There are also dozens of 1917's that were shipped out to the various arms manufacturers of the day for testing and ammo function tests. Sure would be nice to find one of those!!!

If I owned John Dillingers .45 DA, I would definitely letter that one too. Unfortunately, the FBI could not find any serial numbers on the gun as John was very careful about removing all markings of any kind.

Besides, Mr. Jinks derives income from all of those letters and he deserves and earns every penny.
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Perhaps Mack and some others know Mr. Jinks personally, and they believe I would just be another wannabe wasting his time. I don't know Mr. Jinks, and unless he told me that I would be wasting his time himself, I would have no way of confirming it; anyone else's opinion of his duties would be heresay. I simply didn't want to get into a discussion on who's revolvers are worth gaining letters for and who's aren't.

The only reason I have any interest in finding out information on my Model 1917 is because I found it in a shop that deals with high quality used firearms here in Germany. While you can often find Brazilians here, I have not heard of or seen a US issue, non-Brazilian, Model 1917 over here before (you can often find issue M1911A1s) and so was very excited when I found this one, and amazingly at a decent price. Interestingly, it came with commercial gold emblem grips, meaning it had been re-gripped at some time. It was made in 1919, so it can have no WWI history, at least in Germany. I think that it must be an interesting story as to how it came to Germany, although it appears that there may be some others that wouldn't be interested in this information. It is difficult to legally own handguns in Germany, and one must make a serious choice; a hunter may only own two, and a sport shooter may only own two. I possess both licenses (which are expensive, and must be maintained and require quite a bit of time, effort and money to possess) so you can guess how many handguns I own, and this Model 1917 uses up a slot. It has no real use as a hunter's side arm (usually used mostly for finishing shots, or defense from charging boar) or as a sport shooting weapon (used exclusivley for range use), but it meant enough to me to "use" up a slot to acquire it (you cannot possess a firearm for self defense in Germany). It is now back in American hands, and it will stay there, and while it's no great beauty (but a pretty fair shooter), it has the unique feature of being the only one that I can legally own right now.

It is my hope I didn't waste anyone's time or bother anyone with this information. I had really only intended on congratulating Lobo on his fine looking and now lettered S&Ws. I'm especially interested in other's 1917s, both in photos, information and history, as I have developed quite an interest in them, and have learned much about them from others on the forum.
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Perhaps Mack and some others know Mr. Jinks personally, and they believe I would just be another wannabe wasting his time. I don't know Mr. Jinks, and unless he told me that I would be wasting his time himself, I would have no way of confirming it; anyone else's opinion of his duties would be heresay. I simply didn't want to get into a discussion on who's revolvers are worth gaining letters for and who's aren't.

The only reason I have any interest in finding out information on my Model 1917 is because I found it in a shop that deals with high quality used firearms here in Germany. While you can often find Brazilians here, I have not heard of or seen a US issue, non-Brazilian, Model 1917 over here before (you can often find issue M1911A1s) and so was very excited when I found this one, and amazingly at a decent price. Interestingly, it came with commercial gold emblem grips, meaning it had been re-gripped at some time. It was made in 1919, so it can have no WWI history, at least in Germany. I think that it must be an interesting story as to how it came to Germany, although it appears that there may be some others that wouldn't be interested in this information. It is difficult to legally own handguns in Germany, and one must make a serious choice; a hunter may only own two, and a sport shooter may only own two. I possess both licenses (which are expensive, and must be maintained and require quite a bit of time, effort and money to possess) so you can guess how many handguns I own, and this Model 1917 uses up a slot. It has no real use as a hunter's side arm (usually used mostly for finishing shots, or defense from charging boar) or as a sport shooting weapon (used exclusivley for range use), but it meant enough to me to "use" up a slot to acquire it (you cannot possess a firearm for self defense in Germany). It is now back in American hands, and it will stay there, and while it's no great beauty (but a pretty fair shooter), it has the unique feature of being the only one that I can legally own right now.

It is my hope I didn't waste anyone's time or bother anyone with this information. I had really only intended on congratulating Lobo on his fine looking and now lettered S&Ws. I'm especially interested in other's 1917s, both in photos, information and history, as I have developed quite an interest in them, and have learned much about them from others on the forum.

Friend, you are not wasting anyones time. So don't you worry about that.

I especially find it interesting that you found your model 1917 in Germany. I letter the majority of the guns I obtain. Two that come to mind that most people probably wouldn't have lettered are a 36 2" (no dash), and a 28-2 6". The 36 ended up being shipped to Nikko Sterling in Tokyo, Japan. The 28 was sent to Wischo KG in Erlangen, West Germany. Neither one of the guns have proof marks or any other features to distinguish them from other guns of the same model. I never would have known any of this information without a letter from Mr. Jinks. If you want to letter your S&W then do it. You never know what you may find out

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Thanks guys, appreciate the encouragement. I'm happy with my old warhorse such as it is. It may get a double retirement some day, but not too soon. In the meantime, I enjoy seeing and reading about other fine old S&Ws.
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Thanks guys, appreciate the encouragement. I'm happy with my old warhorse such as it is. It may get a double retirement some day, but not too soon. In the meantime, I enjoy seeing and reading about other fine old S&Ws.
"If guns could talk", they'd request a "working" retirement. After all, they were created to shoot--use it, just don't abuse it! Treated well, and your great-grandkids will be enjoying THEIR freedom with it.
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George, according to what I have read, yours should be at the end of the timeframe for the serrated hammer and concave stocks. You may very well have one of the last ones made that way
I can verify that my example which is well up into the 29K serial number range certainly has neither.
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