I just picked up a S&W 22 it has no Logo on the side no made in usa. ser# 2795xx and under the cyl 1056 S&W on the barrel with last pat date 09 has round grip frame with square grips all ser no,s match 5 screw any ideas thanks

Can you post a picture? What barrel length? Adjustable sights?

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H Richard
SWCA1967 SWHF244

Welcome to the forum. I agree pictures would be a plus, so let me repeat that request.

That serial number would permit it to be a .22/32 Heavy Frame Target, and the serial number would put it around 1919. Are the stocks the smaller Regulation Police style, where the back reveals part of the steel frame, or the extension target variety, where wood covers the entire rear of the frame? RP stocks have one screw, and extension stocks two screws.

All .22/32s have adjustable sights.

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David Wilson

Welcome to the forum. Does it look like the top gun in this photo? Do the grips look like this one or have two screws?

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Jim
S&WCA #819

With DCW and Hondo44, I'll join in and tentatively say that what you describe sounds like an old pre-War .22/32 of the style I would guess would be the "Heavy Frame Target." The odd set of numbers "under the cylinder" is an assembly number with meaning only during manufacture. You will probably see the same numbers under the grips stamped onto the left side of the grip frame. As they said, though, a picture would be a big help... "worth a thousand words" as the old phrase goes.

Oh yeah, let me also welcome you to the forum. You'll find a wealth of great info here and a bunch of folks who are really eager to share it with you.

Green Frog

thanks for all the help it has a 6 in barrel and looks like the gun on top exept no logo

From late 1917 through part of 1919 S&W revolvers carried no trademark stamps. The absence of a logo does not indicate a problem in this time frame.

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David Wilson

this where you can see the pictures thanks http://photobucket.com/fourdogs1

How does the barrel lose all it's blue and the cylinder have blue wear yet the frame looks great?

Nice old .22 by the way.

Here are his photos

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Sceva
OGCA SWCA NRA

I'm with sceva on this. Now that I see a picture of the whole gun, I would want to go back and look at the serial numbers on the frame (front or bottom of grip frame... not assembly number on side) and compare them to the number on the barrel (on the flat under the extractor rod) and on the rear face of the cylinder. I would be very surprised if they matched in all three of those places. Regardless, this could be a very desirable shooter... I'm in the process of having one rebuilt myself right now (it came to me with a significant bulge in the barrel, in fact it's the one posted earlier on this thread by friend Hondo44.)

Froggie

Strange things can happen. I have a .32 Regulation Police target revolver with a 99% frame and cylinder, but a splotchy barrel. I thought it was a result of the way the gun was stored, but then I heard of two other .32 RP targets with serial numbers only a few dozen away that showed the same bad barrel finish. Looks like the barrels were simply not properly cleaned and prepped for the bluing vat before the parts were dunked. And there are plenty of instances in which an original cylinder has colored differentially compared to the frame.

I agree the pictures look suspicious, and I would also want to check the serial numbers on all the enumerated parts. But I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers all agreed.

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David Wilson

I too would not be surprised if all the #s matched. In the case of this revolver, the barrel looks "cleaned". The only bluing left at all is in the usual protected areas near the frame and on the lug which is even less than on most warn barrels. I suspect it was left in a holster at some point in its life and developed a fine coating of rust which was then cleaned off right up to the barrel shoulder line by the owner when discovered.

Still it's a fine old revolver with no real abuse and with nice stocks. It has years of shooting fun left in it to be sure.

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Jim
S&WCA #819

What Hondo44 said. I'm supprised that they didn't try to cold blue the areas that were scrubbed.

I just got the gun at an auction all the numbers match i figure someone got the steel wool after it but it was this way when i got it, I do thank you for all the help and info. any ideas on what its worth.

It's worth at least what you paid for it.

These are love-'em-or-leave-'em guns. The people that like them a lot may be willing to pay top dollar for them, and the people that can't stand them wouldn't bother to buy one at half its market value. You can see shooter grade guns like yours offered in the $600-750 range, but I don't often see them sell at those prices. ANIB you can get over a grand, maybe even $1500 or better.

For a gun like yours, a good clean shooter with some finish problems, I'd probably go $400-450 if I needed one. The ones with the recessed cylinders (late 1930s) are worth a bit of a premium because there are so few of them.

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David Wilson

The prices for these are all over the board. They are referred to as the "Bekeart" model as it was San Francisco gun dealer Phil Bekeart who was instrumental in getting the gun produced. Of the original 1000 guns that Bekeart ordered, only about 292 actually went to him. Since it was such a small amount, many collectors place a premium on the "Bekearts". Over time, many sellers feel that any .22/32 heavy frame target is a "Bekeart" and try to attach that same premium.

I have seen them sell for $300 and I have seen them go over $1,000. A lot has to do with condition, whether it numbers to the Bekeart shipments and whether it has the original box.

The gun became a production model in 1915 at around serial number 160,000. Chambers were recessed in 1935 at around serial number 525,600. I would guesstimate that your gun was produced in the early to mid 1920's.

In the current condition, which is basically shooter grade, I would think that your gun is probably a $300 to $400 gun. If you have the original box, you might get another $100 to $150 for it.

PS: David always beats me to the thread. He has more money than me so he pays more. As an aside, I own one with recessed chambers with serial number 384570 (see page 117 of SCSW Vol 3) that predates the 1935 525,600 cut off for recessed chambers. However, my gun has a rework star and was probably sent back to the factory in Sept. 1942 for the chamber upgrade and possibly a new front sight.

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James Redfield
LM #497

Well, after three-four years of manic collecting, I don't have as much as I used to.

The real issue is that I live in California, where almost everything costs 10-20% more than it does in other places.

I have one of those "neo-recessed" guns too. It started life as a Heavy Frame Target in the early 1920s, then went to the factory for a facelift in 1946 and emerged as a Kit Gun -- four inch barrel and new recessed cylinder, both numbered to the original frame.

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David Wilson

You have it 'nailed' for value outside CA I believe.

Dave's observation of the lack of logo in the 1917 to 1919 period pins down the production of the OP's gun to that era. And the medallions if the stocks are original also predate the '20s.

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Jim
S&WCA #819

How did sceva get the photos from the bucket to the forum. I could find no such handle?? Want to clue me in?

If you're going to keep it as a shooter it would look very much more presentable if you touched up the barrel and cylinder with Brownell's Oxpho Blue and only that. A very simple process.

Not to try to fool anyone, but the collector value is already gone in its present condition.

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Jim
S&WCA #819

He downloaded them from Photobucket to his own computer, then uploaded them as attachments in his next post.

Another option would have been to use the Photobucket posts and copy the links to his post using [IMG] and [/IMG] tags before and after each link. That way they would show up full size without the use of thumbnails.

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David Wilson

I opened the link, copied them to my desk top, then attached them using the Manage Attachments function. It wasn't hard and I thought it would help the O.P. to have tham visible.

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Sceva
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