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I'm thinking:

1) Find a silver Registered Magnum
2) Cut the barrel to 3 1/2"
3) Add pearl grips



But seriously... I'm thinking I might find a 3 1/2" nickel pre-27, and add some ivory or faux ivory grips. Does anyone have an idea as to who makes grips that would be a good match?
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Eagle Grips make their "Sledgehammer" which is a target-style synthetic ivory grip. It's available in N frame square butt, and could probably be carved.
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Bob Lescovec in PA does excellent work. He has done beautiful repair to two or three sets of ivory grips for me. He can also carve the grips if you want a design or scrimshaw done. His phone is 724-449-8360. You will find he is a talented gentleman.
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Ahem! Quoting the great General: "Only New Orleans pimps carry guns with pearl grips. Mine are IVORY!".

His grips are ivory with GSP inlayed into them and the gun has some of the nicest engraving I've ever seen!
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Bob Lescovec in PA does excellent work. He has done beautiful repair to two or three sets of ivory grips for me. He can also carve the grips if you want a design or scrimshaw done. His phone is 724-449-8360. You will find he is a talented gentleman.
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Can you get new-production ivory grips today? I thought you couldn't import ivory today... You did say repair so you might have been referring to older grips. I am not sure what the laws are or what the availability of ivory is.
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Can you get new-production ivory grips today? I thought you couldn't import ivory today... You did say repair so you might have been referring to older grips. I am not sure what the laws are or what the availability of ivory is.
Pre ban elephant ivory grips are still available. Nut Meg makes them as well as several other firms, just google. Figure about $350 minimum, that's the least expensive I've been able to buy them.
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Patton's RM was Blue, I think.
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Since I just picked up a blued 3 1/2" Model 27-2 I teamed it up with my engraved Colt .45 so I can pretend I'm General Patton. I sure can't afford the ivories so these stags have to do. Here's Patton's outfit and my two guns below. I think an actual Patton rig with perfectly duplicated guns would be a great venture for the well heeled Patton admirer.



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Wyatt, those are pretty sweet. I thought stag grips might be a close approximation to ivory if I decided not to shell out the $$ for ivory.
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Patton's RM was Blue, I think.
You know, I was thinking it was nickel, but from what I remember... I do think it was blued.
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I have shown this gun before but hope this helps. I got these grips from Don Collins. These are Corin and the fit and finish are superb. Much nicer then any of those bonded Ivory's and plastics MPO. Their suppose to age like Ivory also. Higher quality, higher price. But nowhere near the price of Ivory..
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Geez Wyatt, those are down right purty!
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Pearl grips??? To quote General Patton when asked by a reporter about the stocks on his registered magnum: "Only a pimp in a cheap New Orleans whore house would have a gun with pearl grips." "These are ivory." His registered magnum was blued not nickel plated.
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Here is another set of Corian grips that I had Don Collins make for me.

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Many years ago my very close old friend and mentor Ura "Duke" Duvall, a heavy S&W collector, had either a registered mag, or pre war 357. Blue 3 1/2" with carved ivory grips. On the sideplate it also had a round gold badge about 3/4" inset between the stars, rubys! This was 40 years ago, it was his favorite of many guns. It was in about 85% condition as he had bought it from some famous captains widow and he shot and carried it. I was just getting into smiths and wish I would have got more info on it. He died a number of years ago. I rented him a room as he worked far from home with me. If I recall right the gun also had a mirror king front sight with a gold bead. Duke kept it under his mattress the entire time I knew him.
Out of the many guns I have seen in my lifetime, that gun would be in the top five I would have if given the privledge to own!
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One of these years I might put this one up for sale.



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The pimp/pearl grip quote is often cited but in fact Patton carried a Colt 380 auto with pearl grips.
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Patton also sometimes carried a Remington Model 51 .380 given to him by Gen. Kenyon Joyce - he had special black grips inlaid with his general's stars put on it. You will occasionally see a photo of him wearing it.

Here's another photo of Patton's registered .357 Magnum. He ordered it as a Lt. Col. while stationed at Fort Shafter in Hawaii in 1935. Note that he had the stock screw located lower on his custom ivory stocks so that his initials could be central on them. Reproductions I've seen do not mimic this touch.

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GLL,

Is that a nickel, 5" Outdoorsman? Wow! I'm green with envy. Really superb revolver you have there. Impressive...and any other adjectives you can think of! (smile)

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The pimp/pearl grip quote is often cited but in fact Patton carried a Colt 380 auto with pearl grips.
Do you have any substantiation for this statement? I have numerous pictures of Patton wearing his .380 Colt Pocket Hammerless and ALL of them have wooden grips with inlaid stars.
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Seems I once saw a posted photo of Patton with the pearl gripped Colt tucked in his waistband but I don't have the photo. He had several small auto pistols and some had wood and one had pearls.
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Seems I once saw a posted photo of Patton with the pearl gripped Colt tucked in his waistband but I don't have the photo. He had several small auto pistols and some had wood and one had pearls.
If you ever come across any documentation for this pearl gripped pistol I'd love to know about it. I've been collecting Patton books, pictures and information for years and have never seen such a thing.
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That's spectacular. I remember when those were offered. Is it a Colt?
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Love the pics !
Just wanted to ad that while attending the SWCA in Orlando this year ,
Saw two vendors selling reproduction S&W N frame grip adapters identicle to the ones on Pattons Registered Magnum with holster in the very first picture in the thread.
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Don Collins still makes elephant ivory grips. Google collinscraft. Contact Don and he'll get back with you. I've got a few sets of his ivory grips, and have been very satisfied with his work. He'll explain the legal issues with ivory. He includes a photocopy of the original importation documents. He buys old elephant tusks from back when it was still legal. The few makers left all use the same approach. They purchase tusks from old guys widows. They won't touch them unless the widow still has the documentation. Back in the 50s and 60s, many wealthy sportsman went to africa and shot an elephant. It wasn't un-PC then. A pair of tusks is worth big bucks if properly documented.

Nutmeg Sports won't touch S&W grips. Jim Alaimo the owner is a Colt man only. He's a very nice guy, but he only likes Colts. He used to come to all our gun shows, and is fascinating to talk to. Don Collins insists he taught Jim how to work in Ivory....just to keep the record straight.

I haven't ordered any ivory grips from Don in a long time now. I'm guessing his prices are between $400 and $500 for a pair. He does special orders, and you can get a much better grade of ivory if you're willing to pay for it. I once ordered a set of N frame Magna's out of bark ivory. Bark is the brown outer part of the tusk, and is more costly.

We'd worked out a deal and he brought them to a gun show. His wife kind of attacked him for wasting a good piece of bark on a S&W because she said no one would buy them, and he should have used them on a set for a Colt SAA. He took his abuse but finished up the grips without telling her who they were for, just let her think he was testing the S&W waters. He got to the show and put them in his display case that held the other high value grips. I was busy setting up our tables and it took a little while to get away and go visit with him.

I walked up, took one look and handed over the agreed price. He's a master craftsman and I had no doubt the grips were correct. He had other customers and I walked away. After a little while, his wife noticed the S&W grips were gone, so she asked him what happened to them. He then did the usual husband like thing and told her the first person that looked at them paid full price. All true, but he left out the little part about the pre-arranged sale. At least she didn't complain about it again!

You can find N frame elephant ivory grips at almost any large gun show. If you want or need aged ivory, just be prepared to pay for them. I've labored over sanding off some of the carving on one set I've got. They're Asian style ivory, probably Vietnam War era work. I'm not wild about dragons. They currently live on a 3 1/2" RM. Its problem is its one half of a consecutive set of RM #s. I guess the gun stays with its 6 1/2" brother, I really don't care about the ivories, except I realize the value.
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Hondo 44, no it`s a uberti made for the american historical fondation. It is silver plated. The last ad I seen for their last one`s years ago was almost $3,000s! Think they started out at like $1,600s when they first were advertised back in the early 80`s or so.
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S&W Ivories-I like them!......











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Just wanted to ad that while attending the SWCA in Orlando this year ,
Saw two vendors selling reproduction S&W N frame grip adapters identicle to the ones on Pattons Registered Magnum with holster in the very first picture in the thread.
Uberti makes a good SAA and their top of the line model like this one is excellent. Their engraving is a bargain. I had one of the Buffalo Bill Cody engraved models.
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If you want or need aged ivory, just be prepared to pay for them. I've labored over sanding off some of the carving on one set I've got. They're Asian style ivory, probably Vietnam War era work. I'm not wild about dragons. They currently live on a 3 1/2" RM.

Dadgumit Dick...

I've been 50 years puttin these together...If'n I get up the nerve with a couple of swallers of 'Who Shot John' I'll lop 'er off to 3 1/2" one of these days.

I can jest see 'er now in my minds eye...Snubed up and them ivories re-carved with a Texas Longhorn Steer head on 'em.

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I've shown 'em before, but here they are again...just to prove that IVORY looks good on anything. The older the tooth, the better!

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I don't remember where I found this picture at on the net, but I thought some might like to see it.....

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If I remember correctly, the Colt 380 was the Official issue sidearm for Army Generals.

Some time later they were issued a cut down [barrel and slide] steel framed 1911 in 45 ACP.
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Aaron,

Ya might give this guy a call if'n your serious about a 'Patton' revolver.

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Since I just picked up a blued 3 1/2" Model 27-2 I teamed it up with my engraved Colt .45 so I can pretend I'm General Patton. I sure can't afford the ivories so these stags have to do. Here's Patton's outfit and my two guns below. I think an actual Patton rig with perfectly duplicated guns would be a great venture for the well heeled Patton admirer.



El Paso saddlery carries the patton rig.. Exact copy from original, since they made the original under S.D. Myres.
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Thanks to everyone for your suggestions. Great info!
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If you ever come across any documentation for this pearl gripped pistol I'd love to know about it. I've been collecting Patton books, pictures and information for years and have never seen such a thing.
First, General Patton's RM was a blued gun, as all the pictures show.

As to the pearl-handled small pistol that Saxonpig refers to, I vaguely remember reading about someone, perhaps General Joyce, delivering a pistol to General Patton when he was commanding Third Army. I believe it was Joyce, and I think he had replaced the factory stocks with pearl before he presented it. He was aware GSP favored fancy stocks, but could not locate ivory before he wanted to deliver the pistol.

I think GSP subsequently had the pearl stocks changed to the wooden ones with the stars, and that they were made for him by a handyman assigned to his headquarters. I cannot point you to any documentation. There are so many works dealing with GSP, often conflicting in details, that it is hard to be positive about the "pistol stories" - all you can be sure of is what you see in pictures. I recall reading one author who claimed GSP never carried anything but an ordinary M1911 any time he was in the field and not around reporters. Nearly every photo I have ever seen refutes that, and it leads one to wonder why the author would bother to make such a claim. I have only seen a few pictures of GSP with a 1911, in those cases being carried in a shoulder holster. I believe those were taken before he left the U.S. for the invasion of Morocco, possibly during the war games in the south where his troops surrounded and "captured" General Drum.
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"possibly during the war games in the south where his troops surrounded and "captured" General Drum."

Seems I remember reading Patton carried a Colt Woodsman in the desert southwest while training.
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Yes, there are pictures of GSP here in the states with the Colt .22 auto (usually the Colt was in a belt holster), but the war games I was referring to took place in Georgia.
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