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Old 12-12-2011, 06:38 PM
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I've been offered a chance to make an offer on a 1st model 1933 vintage gun . Gun is I'd say 98% includes box & factory grip adapter ,no tools or papers . I'm thinking around 1800 give or take a couple hundred $'s . What say the experts ? I really like to have it as it's one of the nicest I've seen . My only price comparison is that Dave Carroll has one for sale that came from the Duffy collection that's pristine . Dave's asking $2500. So I might be off on pricing . Typically what did these ship with ? I understand the pre war grip adapter is somewhat rare . Thanks for looking .
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I think you'd be in the vicinity of $1500 with just the gun and box. I understand the gun is high condition, but you didn't mention if the box is in good shape or somewhat worn. Add a hundred or more if it is in excellent condition.

That's without the grip adapter. There has been dispute here in the past about what a K-frame adapter is worth, but I think they are at least $350-400 items, if it is true that the N-frame adapters will bring $750. You'd need a letter to tell if the gun shipped with the adapter. It might be a later add-on. The adapters were available when your gun shipped in 1933.

Put it all together and I think you are near or a little above $2000. You could offer your $1800 to start and come up if need be.

You are obligated to post pictures if you end up with this package.
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Thanks for your always sage advice . If I do get lucky I will letter it & of course post the mandatory pics . I must confess I've been bitten by the pre war bug as I find the fit & finish amazingly beautiful .
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Sounds like a very nice package and David has given you good advice. The only thing that would make it fantastic is if it came with the original SAT (screwdriver). Those are big bucks. It might pay off, if you are buying from an individual and not a gun shop, to ask if they still have the SAT. They may have it in a sewing kit or the like and not even realize what it is. Good luck and look forward to the pictures.
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I hope you can nail down a mutually agreeable price and take it home.
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That's awfully early for a grip adapter on a K22. We don't see many of them on K frames, and I've never seen one on a K22 that early. I agree with the comment that it needs to be lettered. Still, I'm tempted to say the $1800 might be low. I don't have a wide range of places I can see the guns, but the ones I see at the Louisville gun show are up in the $2000 range regularly. Once a box gets mated with a gun, the price soars over $2000.

A 1933 vintage gun won't have the red picture box, it'll be an M&P box with the rubber stamp and the M&P instructions pasted inside the top. Only later did they actually receive the 22 specific information. If its got a red box, its still a worthy gun but might make you think it was mated with the cardboard later on to add value.
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A 1933 vintage gun won't have the red picture box, it'll be an M&P box with the rubber stamp and the M&P instructions pasted inside the top. Only later did they actually receive the 22 specific information. If its got a red box, its still a worthy gun but might make you think it was mated with the cardboard later on to add value.
I believe that the first K-22 Outdoorsman were shipped in January 1931. So I was under the impression that by 1933 the red picture box would be correct. I could be mistaken but those are my impressions.
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I have one with a 634,000s serail that came in an early, one piece hinged box. It has just the .22-38 stamp in blue ink. A later one, 638,500 range is in the same maroon box, but the paste in instructions are 22 specific. In the past we've had threads that speculate the red picture box didn't appear until about 640,000. I don't have ship dates on my guns. But others worry about it, so you can probably get someone to chime in on the dates.
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Mine is 6388xx and came in a red picture box. It had 60 yrs of history in the same family and they were not "gun" people, so think the box is original.


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