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Old 08-11-2017, 11:18 AM
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Here's another one for the Victory database. This one came from an estate auction and has been refinished with pitting under the finish, so it's just a shooter. It does have what appear to be the original numbered grips. The lanyard ring was missing when I bought it, but Numrich was able to provide a ring and the mounting pin. Nice smooth action and hits right on POA at 15 yards with 158 grain semi-wadcutters. For $250 + auction fees I think I did OK for a range toy.













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Old 09-09-2017, 04:16 PM
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I'm new so if this is the wrong place to post this please let me know. That said, I have a Victory with an interesting story to add to the data base. I'd like to find out what you think about this Victory, then I'll post additional photos and it's history as I know it. I may even be able to shed some light on the mysterious W.

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Old 09-09-2017, 04:21 PM
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Here's a few more photos of V501248:

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Old 09-09-2017, 04:25 PM
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And a few more of V501248:

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I'm not the keeper of the Victory database but I know he is in the path of Irma and may not be able to respond for some time. I think your gun shipped in Feb or March, 1944 and most likely went to the US Maritime Commission.

It's a nice example and I'd like to hear the story.
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Old 09-09-2017, 04:38 PM
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If it were a car we'd call it a 'one owner' and this one was literally driven by a little old man from Pasadena (California) V501248.

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Old 09-09-2017, 05:27 PM
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V501248 would indicate that it probably shipped in Jan or Feb 1944. The lack of a topstrap stamping suggests it was a DSC revolver, not one which went to the U. S. military. Pate says that the W stamping on the butt MAY mean that it was sent to the Western Electric Co.
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Old 09-09-2017, 05:55 PM
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I submitted the history of this Victory (V501248, as i know it), but being new and having not read all the rules as I should have, it was blocked until approved by the moderator. I think it was to long. Sorry.

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Old 09-10-2017, 03:44 AM
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This is the short version of what I know about my Victory V501248). It was purchased at Elliott's Police Supply in Los Angeles on 7 Nov 1960, sold as a 'New' S&W Model 10, with a full S&W Warranty, and carried on duty for about three and a half years. It came with the grips in the photo and without a lanyard ring.

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This is the short version of what I know about my Victory V501248). It was purchased at Elliott's Police Supply in Los Angeles on 7 Nov 1960, sold as a 'New' S&W Model 10, with a full S&W Warranty, and carried on duty for about three and a half years. It came with the grips in the photo and without a lanyard ring.
I'm not sure how generous S&W was with "warranty" work in the old days, but that was definitely not new, but a used Victory with post-war magna stocks attached later. If a warranty repair issue had arisen and Elliott's sold it as you describe, they'd likely have had to eat the cost.
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Old 09-10-2017, 09:23 AM
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I'm not sure how generous S&W was with "warranty" work in the old days, but that was definitely not new, but a used Victory with post-war magna stocks attached later. If a warranty repair issue had arisen and Elliott's sold it as you describe, they'd likely have had to eat the cost.
I have the original S&W warranty card (a 1955 form), box, and paper work. I'll post a photo of it later. Based on what I was told, and the excellent condition of the Victory now, it probably appeared as if it were new, even if it wasn't. My friend is relying on a 66 year old memory, but he's still sharp as a tack. I talked to him about it last Thursday and he said that it was sold as new and that the store had a number of 'the same Model 10s' to choose from. I don't think we'll ever know for sure.

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Here's the S&W warranty card and brochures that came with Victory V501248. It came in a standard Model 10 S&W blue box without a serial number printed with the description.

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Here's the S&W warranty card and brochures that came with Victory V501248. It came in a standard Model 10 S&W blue box without a serial number printed with the description.

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Yeah, that's not the right box or documents for a Victory. Model numbers weren't around then. And in your picture of the revolver, those aren't Victory stocks . . .
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Here's the S&W warranty card and brochures that came with Victory V501248. It came in a standard Model 10 S&W blue box without a serial number printed with the description.
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As Muss says, neither the box nor the papers are in any way related to the Victory model you showed. The instructions are for a regular post-1958/59 Model 10, as appears to be the box. They met up sometime before the sale in 1960; if Elliott's sold this as new and under warranty, they cheated.
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As Muss says, neither the box nor the papers are in any way related to the Victory model you showed. The instructions are for a regular post-1958/59 Model 10, as appears to be the box. They met up sometime before the sale in 1960; if Elliott's sold this as new and under warranty, they cheated.
Is there such a thing as a Victory box?
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Is there such a thing as a Victory box?
Good question. Most likely a plain brown kraft box, similar to the Commando boxes.

There is the famous photo, also reprinted in Pate, of BSR Victorys being unpacked in Britain which appears to show such packaging.

Interestingly, while there are quite a few newish unissued Commandos in original boxes around (as well as plenty of new "replica" boxes, a.k.a. fakes), I have never laid eyes on a documented original US Victory box. But there are others here with a lot longer exposure than I've had, so maybe someone has a picture of one.
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Yeah, that's not the right box or documents for a Victory. Model numbers weren't around then. And in your picture of the revolver, those aren't Victory stocks . . .
Can't argue with you about that. I think the original owner may be confused about the state of the gun when it was sold. New vs like new. Although he's pretty adamant that he never owned a 'Model 10' other than the Victory that he thinks was sold to him as a Model 10. I think it's time to order a letter from S&W to pin down when and to whom it was shipped to. Thanks for the input.
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As Muss says, neither the box nor the papers are in any way related to the Victory model you showed. The instructions are for a regular post-1958/59 Model 10, as appears to be the box. They met up sometime before the sale in 1960; if Elliott's sold this as new and under warranty, they cheated.
I never dealt with Elliott's and I don't mean to infer that they did anything unethical. All the information comes from a guy that I've know for 40 years who has always been reliable. Because the basis of the information about the gun is anecdotal I think the only solution is to order a letter from S&W and see where it leads. Thanks for the input.
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I never dealt with Elliott's and I don't mean to infer that they did anything unethical. All the information comes from a guy that I've know for 40 years who has always been reliable. Because the basis of the information about the gun is anecdotal I think the only solution is to order a letter from S&W and see where it leads. Thanks for the input.
Please report back when you get the letter.
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Yes, there was indeed a distinctive box within which the Victory Model was shipped. It was a single piece of folded, corrugated cardboard taped close with the serial number penciled on the bottom. The USGI guns had the Ordnance Department Escutcheon stamped in red ink on the box as well.

I don't have handy any pics of the two boxes in my collection but do have in my archives the image posted below of an authentic Victory box. I believe this one was probably for a DSC gun. I don't recall where I got this image or I would offer the proper credit for it here.

The Colt Commando boxes were 2 piece boxes of a different construction.

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