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Here are some pics. Just to get an idea of whether or not its a good one. (I already think so- just curious if its in decent collector state)
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Here are some pics. Just to get an idea of whether or not its a good one. (I already think so- just curious if its in decent collector state)
Just the opposite. It shows heavy use and incorrect and non-original grips.
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Old 03-10-2018, 01:27 AM
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What I meant by I already think so is I like it it, mainly because my dad gave it to me. I was just curious about info on it and little things like if it was in decent shape. I guess not though....
I guess I have to say I still like it.
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Your question was "decent collector shape".

To me what would be important was it came from my father so I don't really care what shape it is in. But if it was a good shooter even better. You can get correct Victory stocks fairly easily.

Clean it up, shoot often and clean often. Doesn't get much better than that.
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It‘s from spring 1943, and as DWalt says, its finish looks pretty tired. The lighting in your photos isn‘t ideal; gives it an odd color hue and leaves details hard to make out.

Looks like someone smeared some white paint into some of the markings. Get rid of that; it‘s not authentic, some acetone will take care of it. Is the sideplate logo as far gone as it looks or is that just the lighting?

As DWalt also pointed out, the grips are not original. The good news is that while they‘re not in great shape, they are post-war magnas that are worth more than original smooth Victory stocks would be in the same condition.
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New to forum: Purchased this S&W Victory .38 Special and interested in manufacturing date, as well as any other information available on this revolver. Thank You, Steve

SN V 249544

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Old 04-30-2018, 01:07 AM
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With a 4" barrel, it would be a .38 Special. You did not provide information as to whether it has a topstrap property stamping or not, so it is not possible to say whether it is military or civilian. The top sideplate screw looks strange and may not be original.

SN V 249544 probably shipped around May 1943, perhaps +/- one month.
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Mudpupoy:

That does look just like what we diagnosed: a very nice original British Service model.

It appears that at some point a poor storage choice led to the unfortunate discolorations on the top strap, maybe prolonged contact with a contaminated rag or something.

Otherwise, the finish is quite well-preserved, and the case-color on hammer and trigger is strong.

And despite the impression you may have gotten from Ed's mention of "many 1000s of these" imported, seeing one of these intact without any post-war British proofs is not common at all nowadays; most BSR's re-imported to the US were Birmingham-proofed.
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Hey everyone. I'm new to this forum and a recently picked up a 4" barrel .38 Special Victory, and I'm hoping someone can tell me a little about it. It's in pretty good condition, other than a bit of light pitting under the grips and on the backstrap and some rust on the lanyard ring. The bore is excellent, and it came with a surplus tag indicating "Delta Shipbuilding Company" of New Orleans, though I have no idea what sort of provenance this provides. Serial # is V485855. There are no markings on the top strap. Any help is welcome! I'm including a few photos from the online auction where I purchased it (this revolver is still quite dirty in the photos, but some basic cleaning did wonders).














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That gun with the provenance of the tag is so cool!! What year is written on the tag?
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Hey everyone. I'm new to this forum and a recently picked up a 4" barrel .38 Special Victory, and I'm hoping someone can tell me a little about it. It's in pretty good condition, other than a bit of light pitting under the grips and on the backstrap and some rust on the lanyard ring. The bore is excellent, and it came with a surplus tag indicating "Delta Shipbuilding Comany" of New Orleans, though I have no idea what sort of provenance this provides. Serial # is V485855. There are no markings on the top strap. Any help is welcome! I'm including a few photos from the online auction where I purchased it (this revolver is still quite dirty in the photos, but some basic cleaning did wonders).













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Hey everyone. I'm new to this forum and a recently picked up a 4" barrel .38 Special Victory, and I'm hoping someone can tell me a little about it. .....The bore is excellent, and it came with a surplus tag indicating "Delta Shipbuilding Comany" of New Orleans, though I have no idea what sort of provenance this provides. Serial # is V485855. There are no markings on the top strap. Any help is welcome!.....
As Ken said, the gun likely shipped in late 1943. The tags tell you what we end up paying good extra money to get a history letter for: It was a gun shipped to the US Maritime Commission which used these mostly to equip the gun lockers of commercial freighters drafted for wartime transport duty and Liberty ships built for that purpose. How and when the Delta Shipbuilding Company acquired the gun, whether directly from the Commission for a ship they built, or from a ship they took over for decommissioning (since the tag says surplus), will be difficult to determine.

Neat find and great provenance! The gun looks all-original and in good shape, too.
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This is my S&W Victory Model V 849XX. I have the proper period grips for it. What kind of grips are on it now and the possible value? When was this WWII revolver manufactured?
With a five-digit serial, late summer 1942. The finish seems largely gone. Does it have a US NAVY topstrap stamp? The value of the grips on it depends on whether they're imitation or genuine stag of some sort. not my area of expertise
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No, it does not.
Then it's either a gun shipped to a civilian recipient, like a police department or the security department of a defense contractor, through the Defense Supplies Corporation, or (statistically less likely) a Maritime Commission gun like the one above.
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That gun with the provenance of the tag is so cool!! What year is written on the tag?
It’s not a date at all, but the text “REV-2”. I’ve tried to take some better photos of the tag. I apologize for them being upside down - just took them quickly with my phone and uploaded to Imgur.






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Your V485855 is a very interesting Victory. It is possible it is unused by its appearance. I think I would not try to remove the packing grease (Cosmolene?) remaining on it. Delta did build Liberty Ships during WWII, and indications are that at least some handguns were part of the Liberty Ships' standard equipment complement, probably for the Captain, maybe some mates. I have no idea how many guns were sent to sea on each of those ships. Some may also have been intended for shipyard security guards, and maybe that is what yours was used for. These were sent to the U. S. Maritime Commission (USMC) but that surplus property tag is extraordinary and would add a premium to its value. You should definitely get an historical letter documenting that it indeed was sent by S&W to the USMC. The serial number suggests a shipping date of around early 1944. I list several other Victories with SNs not too far removed from yours which were also USMC guns shipping in the late 43-early 44 period. USMC guns had no property stampings on the topstrap.

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have a smith & wesson Model 10 Victory Model Ser #V18780, with US Navy on top of frame. Can any one provide any information on it?
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have a smith & wesson Model 10 Victory Model Ser #V18780, with US Navy on top of frame. Can any one provide any information on it?
Its not a Model 10 (that didnt start until 1957/58), but simply a .38 M&P Victory. Likely from June/July 1942. Shipped to the US Navy. For any further comments, regarding orginality, condition and such, post some pictures.
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I think I would not try to remove the packing grease (Cosmolene?) remaining on it.
There was no Cosmoline on the pistol. Due to the light pitting on this pistol's grip, I do believe it was handled a bit, but do not believe it was fired a lot.

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Hello,
I found another one. Serial # V234216. 38 SPL. 4" bbl. U.S. Navy marked on Top Strap. Looks all original w/ lanyard ring and smooth grips.
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I found another one. Serial # V234216. 38 SPL. 4" bbl. U.S. Navy marked on Top Strap. Looks all original w/ lanyard ring and smooth grips.
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Approx. Feb./March 1943. Looks indeed like all-original finish. Do the serials all match, incl. back of right grip panel?
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Please enter V146357 to the data base. It is stamped U.S.Navy on the topstrap. All numbers match including the right grip.
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Done. Your Navy has been added to the Database. Thank you for providing this information.
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Please add this one to the data base. S/N V163756 Cal 38 S&W CTG,Top Strap Marked "United States Property", Inspector GHD.
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Please add this one to the data base. S/N V163756 Cal 38 S&W CTG,Top Strap Marked "United States Property", Inspector GHD.
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Since youre in Australia, and the Victory is a lend-lease gun that seems unmolested and the finish appears original, Im curious whether it has any non-factory markings on the other side not shown in your photo.

We mostly get Lithgow-FTRd Australian guns here, and it sometimes appears like there are older markings underneath the array of 1950s FTR stampings. So Id be curious whether a non- FTRd lend-lease gun shows anything.
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Thanks for your reply.There are no FTR markings on the right side near the Made in USA stamp. I have owned one a few years ago with that stamp. All serial numbers match. I also have another two pre victory models S/N 784711 with no military marks and the other 800805 with military mark A arrow F ,by my book Australian forces or Air Force. Should I post pics here or in another area. cheers.

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Id like to add my Victory revolver. My dad has had this revolver for a very long time. He got it from his uncle who said it came from a WWII aircrew member. Today was his 83rd birthday and he gave it to me. The serial number is V27456 (1942?). Is it worth getting a letter from S&W? I know it has the wrong grips on it. Id love it if someone could point me toward some correct ones.
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It is one of the British Lend Lease guns that most likely shipped in Jun of 1942. The caliber is .38 S&W not .38 Special. Even though it is marked U.S. Property, it wasn't U.S. issued. Personally, I wouldn't waste my money for a letter as I already know approximately when it shipped and where it went. A letter really won't tell you any more than that. However, it is a great family heirloom, even if it does have the wrong stocks on it. I'd leave it just as it is!
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Id like to add my Victory revolver. My dad has had this revolver for a very long time. He got it from his uncle who said it came from a WWII aircrew member. Today was his 83rd birthday and he gave it to me. The serial number is V27456 (1942?). Is it worth getting a letter from S&W? I know it has the wrong grips on it. Id love it if someone could point me toward some correct ones.
As Ken pointed out, it's not a US issue; any US aircrew (mostly Navy and Marine) that were issued a Victory got the .38 Special 4" version.

Also, that gun has post-war British commercial proofs showing it did not leave British service until likely the later 1950s; a focused close-up of the view mark (left side, above trigger guard) might allow pinning down the year it was sold in Britain.

Definitely keep those grips, but if you want to get some correct-style stocks also, check on e-bay or Gunbroker; you need smooth walnut; see attached picture.
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As Ken pointed out, it's not a US issue; any US aircrew (mostly Navy and Marine) that were issued a Victory got the .38 Special 4" version.

Also, that gun has post-war British commercial proofs showing it did not leave British service until likely the later 1950s; a focused close-up of the view mark (left side, above trigger guard) might allow pinning down the year it was sold in Britain.

Definitely keep those grips, but if you want to get some correct-style stocks also, check on e-bay or Gunbroker; you need smooth walnut; see attached picture.

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Yep. Nice clear shot.

F is 1955. B is Birmingham Proof House. 2 denotes the inspector rank. The symbols are variously referred to as crossed sceptres or crossed swords, depending on the source.

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You can add V3193 to the base. No military, proof, or inspectors stamps. Maybe DSC, letter already requested. Other than the sideplate screw everything seems to be correct.
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You can add V3193 to the base. No military, proof, or inspectors stamps. Maybe DSC .....
How about the butt? At that point a DSC or Maritime Comm gun should have the ordnance flaming bomb, although in that year 1942 one really can’t presume anything. This could even still letter as a Navy-shipped gun
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Yep. Nice clear shot.

F is 1955. B is Birmingham Proof House. 2 denotes the inspector rank. The symbols are variously referred to as crossed sceptres or crossed swords, depending on the source.
Thank you! Does this mean it left service in 1955? Was this a Birmingham England police gun? I appreciate your help.
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Welcome to the Forum, Havoc1C4. Lots of good info to found here.
Thank you! Good folks here it seems. Btw, Roll Tide! I live just south of Birmingham Alabama in Helena.
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Thank you! Does this mean it left service in 1955? Was this a Birmingham England police gun? I appreciate your help.
It was sent to Britain during WW II and was used as a supplementary handgun by British troops.

After the war, they were kept in storage for a while, and then in the 1950s the government started selling them to surplus dealers over several years time.

British laws required those dealers to have the guns commercially proofed before selling them on, either locally (rare due to restrictive laws) or via export, mostly back to the US.

There were/are two commercial proof houses in Britain, London and Birmingham. Most of these revolvers were sent to the latter for proofing.
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How about the butt? At that point a DSC or Maritime Comm gun should have the ordnance flaming bomb, although in that year 1942 one really cant presume anything. This could even still letter as a Navy-shipped gun
Nothing on the butt either, I have a pre-Victory that is also unmarked. Guess that is why I collect them, it seems like the variations are endless.
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You can add V3193 to the base. No military, proof, or inspectors stamps. Maybe DSC, letter already requested. Other than the sideplate screw everything seems to be correct.
Is USG 6418 marked anywhere on this gun. I already have that serial number in my database with that marking on it.
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Is USG 6418 marked anywhere on this gun. I already have that serial number in my database with that marking on it.
That's the one, hoping that it will letter as a DSC shipped to United States Gulf (later Gulf Oil). Does the data base show any like marked revolvers?
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Thank you! Good folks here it seems. Btw, Roll Tide! I live just south of Birmingham Alabama in Helena.
I know it well. I worked in Bessemer for over 23 years.
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That's the one, hoping that it will letter as a DSC shipped to United States Gulf (later Gulf Oil). Does the data base show any like marked revolvers?
Nothing else in my database, but I'm sure there are others or there with bigger ones than mine. Maybe Digishots or DWalt have more info. Can't wait till see the results of your letter. The DSC guns are always more interesting to me.
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Chief Dave:

You asked whether the Victory Model Database contains any other guns marked similarly to your V3193 with USG 6418. (I presume that the latter marking is electro-penciled on the left frame below the cylinder latch, correct?)

I can report that the VM Database does indeed contain another similarly marked example. That is V2973 with the electro-penciled marking of USG 6566. When recorded in the Database we did not have any factory letter shipping info on it. Nonetheless, given that your serial is only 220 numbers away from the other one, I think it is a safe bet that your revolver and V3193 initially served the same employer.

I will be very interested in how your SWHF letter turns out. Please post that info back here when you receive it.
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Chief Dave:

You asked whether the Victory Model Database contains any other guns marked similarly to your V3193 with USG 6418. (I presume that the latter marking is electro-penciled on the left frame below the cylinder latch, correct?)

I can report that the VM Database does indeed contain another similarly marked example. That is V2973 with the electro-penciled marking of USG 6566. When recorded in the Database we did not have any factory letter shipping info on it. Nonetheless, given that your serial is only 220 numbers away from the other one, I think it is a safe bet that your revolver and V3193 initially served the same employer.

I will be very interested in how your SWHF letter turns out. Please post that info back here when you receive it.
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Yes, our Victory Model Database covers the pre-Victory guns from about 700,000 to 999,999. We have thousands of pre-Victory and Victory serials recorded. If you have any that you would like included in the Database on a confidential basis just post it here or send me a PM.
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New to forum, issued a 38 spl revolver in 1966 at Malstrom AFB MT.
I'm assuming it was a victory model but don't know for sure and didn't really care back then as long as it fired.

Just acquired a victory and after reading 100's of post I have a question maybe some one could answer.

The distribution of the victory models with serial numbers very close to each other going to different places, army, navy, allies, and used for security at many different facilities here in US.
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Serial # 5004441 going to Army marked property of US
5004330 going to Navy marked Navy
5005998 going to factory in US for security purposes

Was distribution random with no real sequence followed?


Thanks, Great forum
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Typo! Made up Example serial numbers should be 6 numbers.
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