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S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 All 5-Screw & Vintage 4-Screw SWING-OUT Cylinder REVOLVERS, and the 35 Autos and 32 Autos


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Serial number on the bottom of the barrel: V282560
The serial places it in mid-1943.

You show the serial on the underbarrel, which is indeed the correct serial. But the legal primary serial (same number) should be on the bottom of the butt, next to a (likely plugged) hole for the lanyard swivel this gun used to have.

Also, is there a US PROPERTY GHD stamping visible on the top strap above the cylinder?
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Plugged hole there. No serial number on butt or evidence there was one. No US stamp on top.
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Ok. I have a good(bad) one to show.

5 inch barrel. .38 S & W. Refinished, it's now blued instead of parkerized. Barrel has no number at all. Assembly numbers on frame and crane don't match. Cylinder number does not match. A good thing, it still has it's own sideplate.. It's marked US property GHD on the top strap and p behind the cylinder. And it's marked Bavaria Municipal Police. No British marks. A marking I can't decypher above the front end of the trigger guard. Serial number V666397(great three first numbers, right?).

It's still a work in progress. It came with the bolt plunger bushing missing. Fixed that only to find out the crane was out of whack so the latch will not close because the center pin will not align with the hole. currently waiting for the tool to fix that to arrive.


But it was the only M & P type I found. So I bought it anyway

Edit. Almost forgot. It has "modern" German civilian proof marks.

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Plugged hole there. No serial number on butt or evidence there was one. No US stamp on top.
Then the butt serial has been scrubbed thoroughly, and itís technically illegal. Since the property stamp could have been there or not, we canít know anymore.

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It's marked US property GHD on the top strap and p behind the cylinder. And it's marked Bavaria Municipal Police. No British marks. A marking I can't decypher above the front end of the trigger guard. Serial number V666397...

Edit. Almost forgot. It has "modern" German civilian proof marks.
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So the frame, originally made in mid-1944, was a Bavarian Police gun issued in early 1946 and then sold commercially (the proofs) in Germany. If the barrel does not have a German proof (I canít see one), it was replaced after the gun left Germany. I canít make out that other marking either.
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Lobo, sorry for delay, Hamilton County (Ohio) Sheriff.
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Hello everybody
Mine is V367699, US property on frame, G. H. D
38 s&w. Parkerized finish. Parachuted to french resistance by S.O.E (Someone was engraving his initials on left grip...)
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Hello. I have another one to add.
V661635
US property on frame, G. H. D
Any info on ship date would be greatly appreciated.
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Closest one I have listed is SN V662384, shipping on 8/22/44. Does it have a U. S. PROPERTY topstrap stamping? What is the caliber and barrel length?
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DWalt,
V661635 has the following
-Flaming bomb, US property G. H. D on top strap
-38 special
-4" barrel

Thanks for the info!
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Then it is most probably what is called the DSC version (Defense Supplies Corporation). DSC was a government agency, one of its functions being procurement of handguns for essential civilian users, such as civilian law enforcement agencies and defense plant security guards. During WWII, most sales of new guns to civilians was discontinued, as everything was going to the military (also true for automobiles). The fact that your Victory has no topstrap property stamping indicates it was not shipped for military service. There are other possibilities, for example, guns supplied to the Merchant Marine and OSS, which are similarly unmarked. But in the grand scheme, almost all Victories without a topstrap property stamping will be DSC.

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DWalt ,
As previously stated (V661635) does have the tops trap stamped with the flaming bomb + US PROPERTY GHD.
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Mine is V367699, US property on frame, G. H. D
38 s&w. Parkerized finish. Parachuted to french resistance by S.O.E (Someone was engraving his initials on left grip...)
The gun would be from later 1943, maybe August.

Since your header says USA/France, may we assume the gun is in France and you have some provenance on it? Both SOE and OSS did provide these to the resistance.
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"DWalt ,
As previously stated (V661635) does have the tops trap stamped with the flaming bomb + US PROPERTY GHD."


Sorry, that did not register. Too much in a hurry I guess. With the topstrap stamping, it's about 99% certain it went to the U. S. Navy. GHD are the initials of Col (later Brigadier General) Guy H. Drewry, Army Inspector of Ordnance for the Springfield Ordnance District. See: Brigadier General Guy H. Drewry, Ordnance Corps Hall of Fame Inductee 1996, U.S. Army Ordnance Corps
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