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S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 All 5-Screw & Vintage 4-Screw SWING-OUT Cylinder REVOLVERS, and the 35 Autos and 32 Autos


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Old 01-09-2012, 07:31 PM
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Default K22 good price, so-so price, over priced...

Don't really like the so called: Is it worth it posts but in a bind over this. So with my apologies here goes.

Local gun shop has a really nice K22 with appropriate grips. Following a cursory look at the handgun I would say it is 95% plus with just a bit of holster wear at the muzzle. Blueing looks factory and it has a trigger shoe on it. Sticker price is $800.00 but I can get it for $700.00. Serial # K153xxx which would make the DOB 1952 (Supica). Looked on Gunbroker and couldn't find one under $800.00 (+/-, more or less) that was in any kind of decent shape. Given the above info. decent buy? I know it's not a great deal but...??? and I know prices vary by geography and it seems from this forum that K22s are really "hot" now. Thanks in advance.

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Old 01-09-2012, 07:52 PM
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K-22s have been hot for a couple of years now (if not longer), and the postwar 5-screw models are particularly active -- probably because there are more of them than there are of the prewar varieties. I think $800 is a little high for a gun that is "only" 95%, but it might be an acceptable price for one in higher condition. I'd think a 95% K-22 should probably be no more than about a $650 gun, but if it takes $700 to close the deal, that is probably OK.

Without seeing photos, I have to ask based on the reported trigger shoe: Does this gun have a target hammer or target stocks? If so, those may not be original to the revolver. If it has a standard "high-speed" hammer and diamond magnas, those are likely to represent the original configuration. I know you said "appropriate" stocks, but by 1952 you could get target stocks as an option on the K-Masterpiece guns or add them later as an upgrade to guns that shipped with magnas.
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Old 01-09-2012, 08:16 PM
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A 95% K22 for $700 is about the going price I see.
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Went back to look at the K-22 and it had been sold ($695.99) but was still in the shop. All of the rollmarks looked sharp except the left hand 1/4 or so of the S & W logo which was noticeably less well defined/"deep" than the right hand side. Is this a sign of a possible re-blue? I have four blued S & Ws' and on all four the depth of the logo is consistent across the rollmark. Because the handgun had been sold I wasn't comfortable asking to have the stocks removed so as to check for possible factory re-blue markings or to take a photo.

Again thanks in advance - am trying to learn what to look for in these matters.

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Old 01-10-2012, 03:01 PM
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I have a 1905 4th change with the markings that indicate a factory re-blue done in 1947. The left side of the S&W mark is weak/missing.
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Old 01-10-2012, 05:10 PM
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The light roll mark will not necessarily indicate a reblue. You have to look the entire gun over. Dishing of screw holes, polishing marks when held at differnt angles to the light. Parts that are blued that should not be etc...
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Sorry you missed that one so I won't tell you, "OH my God what a steal that was!!"

From what I have seen, it was a good price but not a GREAT price. Unfortunately, grading of firearms from 94% to 99% is VERY subjective and I have yet to see two folks look at the same gun the same way. 1 or 2 percentage points makes a big difference at that higher range as you near perfection IMHO.

Roll marks are not always an indicator of over buffing/ reblue. Sometimes they are just poor roll marks from the factory. Remember, the company was making guns not heirlooms. As long as the customer could tell it was a S&W, I think that the factory was more interested in getting it out the door.

As others have stated, swirl marks under the blue, flattened screwheads, poor sideplate joints, pitting under the blue and blued hammers and triggers are the more obvious indicators.

To me, a reblue is less of a negative in a 95% or less gun as it will never have high collector value anyway. Most collectors want 98% at a minimum and it really should also have the box, tools and the original papers to make it royality.
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There is one locally with 4" barrel for $600. I am thinking about it.
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