Smith & Wesson Forum

Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > >


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 02-09-2012, 03:47 AM
DCWilson's Avatar
DCWilson DCWilson is offline
SWCA Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 13,350
Likes: 3,902
Liked 6,045 Times in 2,126 Posts
Default Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)

EDITED 4/6/2012 to add info from letters received yesterday.

The K-22 was shipped April 11, 1940 to Weed & Co., Rochester, NY.

The .22/32 was shipped September 18, 1940 to Weed & Co., Buffalo, NY.

Yes, same business but two different locations. Weed & Co. was a hardware firm that had outlets in both cities. I am not aware of other Weed & Co. stores, but they may have existed.


- - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
(Entire original post lies below this line.)
- - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Today I was able to take delivery of two more prewar revolvers that have been on my "must" list for a long time. Both are .22s. Both were shipped in 1940. In my uncontrollable enthusiasm for these revolvers, I hastily took a bunch of photographs so that I could present them here.

The one I have yearned for longest is this one: a K-22 Second Model, or K-22/40 as the factory referred to it -- the 1940 Model of the K-22, which had been introduced as the K-22 Outoorsman nine years earlier. I confess that I am one of those unfortunates who are hopelessly addicted to five-screw K-frame .22s.

Please meet 684698. It has the original box and sight adjustment tool, as well as some related literature that will be scanned and posted later. (In my unedited original post I mistakenly said this was a proper SAT, but not original to the gun; I was corrected by the former owner.) I believe I am the third owner. The forum member from whom I just acquired this wonderful specimen reports he bought it from the original owner over 30 years ago. The prior owner was the original buyer.






The most obvious feature of the K-22/40 is the large micro-click adjustable rear sight. If only all Smiths had been equipped with this design from the earliest hand ejectors! The other innovative feature of the K-22/40 is the short-throw action toward which S&W design engineers were moving in the late 1930s. WWII interrupted commercial model development, and after the postwar transitional period, all models were produced with the new short action whose original concept had been implemented in the 1067 produced units of the K-22 Second Model.




This particular gun is in excellent condition, but it was shot regularly in a prior phase of its life and well-maintained throughout its years. The frame interior is spotless, though you can see a hammer rotation scuff where the gun "smoothed itself out" in operation.




The internals are unstained and look the way they must have 71 years ago.




I plan to shoot this one at least a few times. I will post range reports when I do, but it may be some time before I get around to it.


THE OTHER GRAIL GUN.

Actually, this is more like another specimen of a Grail Model rather than a single grail gun. For about three years I have been completely obsessed by the Prewar .22/32 Kit Gun; when I can't collect specimens of the model, I search out serial numbers and descriptions in auction sites and availability lists in order to add the guns to a data base. I have been able to post a few of these fine revolvers here over the last several months, but I have rarely had the pleasure of posting a package that makes my smile as wide as this one does.

This is 534507, apparently one of the last 100 kit guns manufactured before commercial production was suspended so the company could turn to wartime contracts. It too comes with an appropriate box and a sight adjustment tool, though they were not the ones originally associated with this gun. Condition is easily 99%. The gun may never have been fired or, if fired, was cleaned and cared for with amazing attention.





I imagine I will just let this gun rest on its laurels. I have a shooter grade Kit Gun that lets me have the experience of shooting these small prewar I-frame target .22s.

= = = = = = = = = =

I want to tip my hat to forum member Model39 for trusting me to care for these two guns he has looked after for many years. This deal, like a lot of deals, came about in an unexpected way. We were in off-list conversation about some gun topic when it emerged that he had a couple of prewar .22s he was thinking about selling. I said I might be interested in what he described, and within a day or two we had a deal. Then there was a comedy of errors about finding a local FFL in his state who was willing to ship to an FFL in California, a process made more complicated by his preferred FFL's computer problems and malfunctioning fax machine. But after nearly a month everything came together and the guns were successfully shipped.

Anyone can enter a deal with Model39 in complete confidence.
__________________
David Wilson

Last edited by DCWilson; 04-06-2012 at 10:32 AM. Reason: Add new info from factory letters.
Reply With Quote
The Following 7 Users Like Post:
  #2  
Old 02-09-2012, 04:17 AM
chud333's Avatar
chud333 chud333 is offline
Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Indiana
Posts: 7,910
Likes: 31,529
Liked 22,448 Times in 4,619 Posts
Default

A couple of Beauties David. I know how proud and happy you
must be. Congrats and have fun with them.


Chuck
__________________
They hold no Quarter
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 02-09-2012, 07:00 AM
CptCurl's Avatar
CptCurl CptCurl is offline
SWCA Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Alleghany County, VA
Posts: 1,066
Likes: 1,598
Liked 3,224 Times in 502 Posts
Default

Wow! You lucky devil! Congrats. I'm green.
__________________
SWCA #2599
Curl
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 02-09-2012, 07:57 AM
red9 red9 is offline
SWCA Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Virginia
Posts: 886
Likes: 599
Liked 1,310 Times in 278 Posts
Default

David,

Congratulations. It is always a great feeling to fill those few holes in a collection. The only problem is that, when you think you have filled all the holes, you discover one more that you didn't know existed. Enjoy.

Bob
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 02-09-2012, 08:16 AM
Crabtree Crabtree is offline
SWCA Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: East TN
Posts: 455
Likes: 44
Liked 194 Times in 32 Posts
Default

Congratulations on these two fine revolvers! And a big thanks for the exceptional photography and information presented. You are to be commended.
__________________
Regards, Ty
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 02-09-2012, 08:36 AM
bigmoose's Avatar
bigmoose bigmoose is offline
Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Central New York State
Posts: 1,056
Likes: 1,162
Liked 673 Times in 243 Posts
Default

Wow, those are two beauties for sure. Never met a K-22 I didn't like. That Kit Gun has great proportions also. The front sight really adds to the overall eye appeal. Congrats. (nice photos too)
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 02-09-2012, 09:12 AM
redbos redbos is offline
Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 569
Likes: 6
Liked 13 Times in 8 Posts
Default

The K22 and Kit gun are stunning. I recently got into collecting Kit Guns and the one you just acquired will keep me up at night! Very nice....
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #8  
Old 02-09-2012, 09:12 AM
BoDog BoDog is offline
Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: central Kalifornia
Posts: 176
Likes: 71
Liked 19 Times in 13 Posts
Default

Life in your safe will keep some morron from damaging them. The collector community will be greatly benefited
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 02-09-2012, 09:25 AM
pace40's Avatar
pace40 pace40 is offline
Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: PA.
Posts: 1,850
Likes: 9
Liked 1,278 Times in 257 Posts
Default

Outstanding acquisitions, David.
Congratulations!
__________________
Pace
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 02-09-2012, 09:46 AM
Lenny_D's Avatar
Lenny_D Lenny_D is offline
Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Upstate New York
Posts: 606
Likes: 355
Liked 306 Times in 166 Posts
Default

Mr. Wilson,
I've not been a member of this forum long but I always look to your posts to learn something. I'm just starting a small collection. I have 9 S&W's now and am mostly intrested in shooters. Thanks for the pictures and the info. Someday I'll post pictures of mine. I'm afraid that they will not be anywhere near as spectacular as most I've seen.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 02-09-2012, 09:50 AM
Memphis Memphis is offline
Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Cordova, Tn, Unites State
Posts: 1,103
Likes: 1,127
Liked 637 Times in 184 Posts
Default

Wow David, you're the man. What a great way to start my day. Love the pics. Do the grips number to the gun on the K22/40? I have one with magnas but my grips have no number at all. It letters with magnas but I'm not sure if mine are original to the gun.

Roger
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 02-09-2012, 09:57 AM
LEO918's Avatar
LEO918 LEO918 is offline
SWCA Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Death Valley, AZ
Posts: 1,695
Likes: 4,252
Liked 1,215 Times in 457 Posts
Default

The stuff dreams are made of. Two pieces of art, thanks for sharing David.

Leo
__________________
Living a dream - S&WCA #2364
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 02-09-2012, 10:01 AM
fat tom's Avatar
fat tom fat tom is offline
Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Central South Carolina
Posts: 7,209
Likes: 6,530
Liked 12,207 Times in 2,789 Posts
Default

WOW! WOW! And double WOW!
f.t.
__________________
South Carolina-God's country
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 02-09-2012, 10:04 AM
410bore's Avatar
410bore 410bore is online now
SWCA Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Ohio
Posts: 4,924
Likes: 6,163
Liked 8,964 Times in 1,639 Posts
Default

very nice guns David. and kudos for mating them up with their original equipment which was no doubt a very hard task i'm sure. Those boxes aren't seen everyday. I recently acquired a red box to go with my mint 1954 22/32 Kit gun that was my great grandfathers. (note, the receipt was in the box and not from MY gun....David, do you have any knowledge on this gun shop?)





__________________
Kris
SWCA #2641, OGCA, NRA LM
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 02-09-2012, 10:08 AM
weatherby's Avatar
weatherby weatherby is offline
SWCA Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Western ,Ma.
Posts: 4,507
Likes: 9,262
Liked 7,900 Times in 2,183 Posts
Thumbs up

I imagine I will just let this gun rest on its laurels. I have a shooter grade Kit Gun that lets me have the experience of shooting these small prewar I-frame target .22s.


Your a strong man

I'd have to shoot it at least once
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 02-09-2012, 10:10 AM
PMRet PMRet is offline
SWCA Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: NC
Posts: 1,935
Likes: 291
Liked 677 Times in 234 Posts
Default

Congratulations, those are beauties! I especially like the Second Model, well used for it's intended purpose but obviously well cared for. I'm kind of a "shooter collector", so I really appreciate guns like that.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 02-09-2012, 10:30 AM
Green Frog Green Frog is online now
Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Central VA
Posts: 4,185
Likes: 459
Liked 2,509 Times in 1,299 Posts
Default

Dang it, David! There goes another keyboard lost to drool.

You've raised my levels of lust and envy to a whole new level. I guess it just proves once again that you never fail to impress. When Kalifornia splits off and falls into the Pacific from the weight of all those great guns you continue to amass, I hope at least some will be saved, and I plan to be there with my SCUBA gear and a big bag to salvage all I can.

Best regards,
Froggie
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 02-09-2012, 11:12 AM
H Richard's Avatar
H Richard H Richard is online now
US Veteran
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: West Central IL
Posts: 17,377
Likes: 8,330
Liked 10,760 Times in 4,712 Posts
Default

OH! W.O.W. Not just one, but two once in a decade available guns. You're a lucky man.
__________________
H Richard
SWCA1967 SWHF244
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 02-09-2012, 11:13 AM
1Aspenhill's Avatar
1Aspenhill 1Aspenhill is online now
US Veteran
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Kansas, USA
Posts: 2,730
Likes: 755
Liked 1,882 Times in 356 Posts
Default

Congrats DAvid on your two new beautiful guns! They are hard to find and especially in that condition.
Bill
__________________
www.38-44heavyduty.com
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 02-09-2012, 11:23 AM
GF's Avatar
GF GF is offline
SWCA Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Southern Indiana
Posts: 4,424
Likes: 2,208
Liked 3,628 Times in 978 Posts
Thumbs up

Two "heavy hitter" handguns!

Great post and pics, I love the fact that the first thing you do is take 'em apart!

A K-22/40 is on my list too.

GF
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 02-09-2012, 11:30 AM
Vulcan Bob's Avatar
Vulcan Bob Vulcan Bob is offline
Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: central pa
Posts: 5,242
Likes: 2,338
Liked 2,283 Times in 1,104 Posts
Default

Wow, Another one hit out of the park with those two! Thanks for shareing.
__________________
Stay safe people!
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 02-09-2012, 11:40 AM
vytoland's Avatar
vytoland vytoland is offline
US Veteran
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Illinois
Posts: 4,902
Likes: 11,240
Liked 5,540 Times in 2,136 Posts
Default

beautiful…….simply beautiful. Thank you for sharing.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 02-09-2012, 12:33 PM
DCWilson's Avatar
DCWilson DCWilson is offline
SWCA Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 13,350
Likes: 3,902
Liked 6,045 Times in 2,126 Posts
Default Replies to questions

My thanks to everyone for the kind comments about these two revolvers. I am still floating about house nearly a foot off the floor this morning. It's not just the espresso.

Roger, like the ones on your gun, these K-22 stocks are unnumbered. I suspect that magnas installed on some K-22/40s were simply not marked. These stocks have the patent-stamped stainless dished rounds on the inside. This gun's history make me think these stocks are original to the gun; I would bet the unnumbered stocks you have came on your gun, too.

410bore, that's a very nice Model of 1953 kit gun. I'm afraid I don't know the Carl Haynes Gun Shop. It was probably one of the smaller establishments that could be found in many parts of Southern California cities in the 1950s. Also, the hard work of putting together proper packages for the two guns I posted was done by Model39, from whom I acquired them. He gets the credit for that effort.

GF, you mean there are people who don't take their guns apart? I'm shocked, shocked to learn that disassembling has not been going on in some establishments.
__________________
David Wilson
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 02-09-2012, 01:28 PM
rburg rburg is offline
SWCA Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Kentucky, USA
Posts: 7,479
Likes: 2,830
Liked 6,174 Times in 2,156 Posts
Default

I really like the K22. I'd never have the nerve to take mine apart. I only take mine out of their boxes for oiling. I have K22s to shoot, but my two 2nd models aren't in the mix.

Sorry to hear you'll be driving the old car around for a few more years. 2nd models generally cost as much as a new one! OK, with your old one in trade! And it makes me suspect we here in the S&W forum own most of the production from that year. I have no idea how so many of them survived this last 72 years in such good shape. Today's kids think a gun must be made from stainless steel to not rust out in a couple of years.

Even if this forum is draining the last drop of blood from poor Lee, its really starting to shine.
__________________
Dick Burg
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 02-09-2012, 01:33 PM
Speedo2 Speedo2 is offline
SWCA Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Western PA
Posts: 1,264
Likes: 350
Liked 463 Times in 198 Posts
Default

removed PC

Last edited by Speedo2; 11-27-2012 at 09:04 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 02-09-2012, 02:25 PM
Sprefix's Avatar
Sprefix Sprefix is offline
US Veteran
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: 61N149W
Posts: 2,921
Likes: 1,419
Liked 1,100 Times in 549 Posts
Default

I bow to you......nice revolvers.............
__________________
Go big or stay home
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 02-09-2012, 03:17 PM
wbraswell's Avatar
wbraswell wbraswell is offline
SWCA Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: East Texas
Posts: 6,290
Likes: 2,830
Liked 5,281 Times in 2,257 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fat tom View Post
WOW! WOW! And double WOW!
f.t.
Yeah, what FT said. I gotta find me a .22 Target I Frame now.
__________________
Wayne
Torn & Frayed
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 02-09-2012, 04:26 PM
boatbum101 boatbum101 is offline
Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Pensacola,FL
Posts: 1,107
Likes: 1,496
Liked 406 Times in 208 Posts
Default

Congrats Dave . A pair of hard to find beauties . Glad for you .
Andy
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 02-09-2012, 04:38 PM
OK Hog Shooter's Avatar
OK Hog Shooter OK Hog Shooter is offline
SWCA Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Central OK
Posts: 2,330
Likes: 611
Liked 412 Times in 259 Posts
Default

...and just when l was starting to back off my K-22 addiction! Thanks for sharing the photos and information. Those two .22s are indeed a pair to draw to! Guess l'd better start searching for one of those l frames... gotta love that configuration.

Blessings,
Hog
__________________
Isaiah 55:8-9
Phil. 4:13
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 02-09-2012, 05:50 PM
bill skebeck bill skebeck is offline
US Veteran
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Wichita,Ks
Posts: 96
Likes: 1,899
Liked 40 Times in 18 Posts
Default

David, fantastic guns and photos. Thanks Bill
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 02-09-2012, 06:34 PM
Retired W4's Avatar
Retired W4 Retired W4 is online now
US Veteran
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Atlanta area
Posts: 3,575
Likes: 1,413
Liked 2,606 Times in 751 Posts
Default

Absolutely astounding. Thank you Sir for showing them to us.
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 02-09-2012, 10:32 PM
Davwingman's Avatar
Davwingman Davwingman is offline
US Veteran
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 873
Likes: 3,814
Liked 1,539 Times in 278 Posts
Default

Very nice! Thanks for sharing the good stuff!!
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 02-09-2012, 11:24 PM
Nimrod44 Nimrod44 is online now
Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: North Alabama
Posts: 267
Likes: 18
Liked 217 Times in 37 Posts
Default

Not one but TWO amazing Smiths! Very nice David, congrats.
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 02-09-2012, 11:24 PM
Walter Rego Walter Rego is offline
SWCA Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Occupied California
Posts: 1,284
Likes: 305
Liked 1,876 Times in 497 Posts
Default

David, a couple of beautiful revolvers and I'm sure that you will be a great custodian of them. I love it that these great old S&W's are coming back into CA instead of heading the opposite direction.
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 02-10-2012, 01:04 AM
bdGreen bdGreen is offline
SWCA Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,097
Likes: 419
Liked 3,274 Times in 563 Posts
Default

David that is an exceptional looking K22-40. It has the magnas that appear to be in fine condition. I believe the K22-40's shipped with a larger percentage of magnas. Of course I may be the only one that believes that.
Have you found the ship date yet?
Also, what is the stamping on the top of your rear sight assembly?
I have a couple of the '684XXX' guns, but alas, not any consecutive to yours.

Since the ship dates for that one year were all over the map it's hard to tell what month it shipped without the letter from Roy. The sequence of serial numbers were random, at best, for shipping.
Very, very nice acquisition.

bdGreen
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 02-10-2012, 06:30 AM
Masterpiece Masterpiece is offline
Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Pennsylvania,USA
Posts: 1,334
Likes: 258
Liked 400 Times in 279 Posts
Default Pat. Pending Stamping!!

Quote:
Also, what is the stamping on the top of your rear sight assembly?
Bruce,

Given the Fairly Early Serial Number, I believe it's the "Pat.Pending" Stamping seen on the Earliest K22/40 Sights!! This Stamping was later changed to the "Pat.Number Info" later in production!!
__________________
Masterpiece
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 02-10-2012, 06:30 AM
DCWilson's Avatar
DCWilson DCWilson is offline
SWCA Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 13,350
Likes: 3,902
Liked 6,045 Times in 2,126 Posts
Default

I will definitely letter this revolver to get an exact date, but the preliminary report from the S&W historian is that it shipped in April 1940. I know from the previous owner that the original purchaser bought it in Rochester, NY.

I guess I have been a poor observer of other K-22/40 threads on this forum, but I had it in mind just from the late production dates that these guns would have been shipped with magnas as standard stocks. It just didn't occur to me that an innovative new model would be preferentially shipped with an old style grip design. I remember being surprised when I saw the brochure (which I still plan to scan and post) with an illustration of the gun wearing service stocks and with a small logo on the left side of the frame. That suggested to me that the model had been in design for at least a couple of years because the logo moved to the sideplate in 1938 (if I am recalling this correctly).

Yes, the stamp on the rear sight says "Patent Pending."
__________________
David Wilson

Last edited by DCWilson; 02-11-2012 at 08:58 AM. Reason: Add Rochester, NY.
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 02-10-2012, 06:57 AM
Masterpiece Masterpiece is offline
Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Pennsylvania,USA
Posts: 1,334
Likes: 258
Liked 400 Times in 279 Posts
Default

Dave,

The Magna's are seen all over the spread of the Serial No. Range for these K22/40's!! If you're "Lucky" Roy will letter it as such, but don't be surprised if it comes back as just Checkered Walnut Stocks!! Depends on how much info's in the Shipping Records!! I've observed many that have "Numbered" Magna's that don't "Letter" as being shipped with them!! Cross your fingers!! By the way,"Nice Revolver"!!
__________________
Masterpiece
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 02-10-2012, 01:55 PM
bdGreen bdGreen is offline
SWCA Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,097
Likes: 419
Liked 3,274 Times in 563 Posts
Default Dave

Quote:
Originally Posted by DCWilson View Post
I will definitely letter this revolver to get an exact date, but the preliminary report from the S&W historian is that it shipped in April 1940.

I guess I have been a poor observer of other K-22/40 threads on this forum, but I had it in mind just from the late production dates that these guns would have been shipped with magnas as standard stocks. It just didn't occur to me that an innovative new model would be preferentially shipped with an old style grip design. I remember being surprised when I saw the brochure (which I still plan to scan and post) with an illustration of the gun wearing service stocks and with a small logo on the left side of the frame. That suggested to me that the model had been in design for at least a couple of years because the logo moved to the sideplate in 1938 (if I am recalling this correctly).

Yes, the stamp on the rear sight says "Patent Pending."
I have some with and some without the service stocks. One of them actually has the service stocks with the grip adapter. And, yes, it letters with the grip adapter.

The magnas look good on that model. But, a righteous gun looks great with the service stocks also.

bdGreen

Last edited by bdGreen; 02-10-2012 at 01:57 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 02-10-2012, 02:21 PM
DCWilson's Avatar
DCWilson DCWilson is offline
SWCA Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 13,350
Likes: 3,902
Liked 6,045 Times in 2,126 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bdGreen View Post
One of them actually has the service stocks with the grip adapter. And, yes, it letters with the grip adapter.

bdGreen
That is just way too cool. I have a very few guns that came to me with original grip adapters on them, but I have yet to letter a gun that actually shipped that way.
__________________
David Wilson
Reply With Quote
  #41  
Old 02-10-2012, 02:29 PM
rck281 rck281 is offline
Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Kansas City area
Posts: 1,025
Likes: 150
Liked 453 Times in 138 Posts
Default

David,

Those are great looking guns. I particularly like the 22/40. What a find!
__________________
Dick
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 02-10-2012, 04:13 PM
boykinlp's Avatar
boykinlp boykinlp is offline
SWCA Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 4,520
Likes: 3,584
Liked 4,481 Times in 1,464 Posts
Default

David, as usual, you have done it again. Showing me something that makes me very envious. I love the K22/40. One of these is not on my "list" only because I don't think I could actual find one. But, if I do, I would be a happy camper too. Thanks for sharing your pictures and knowledge.
__________________
SWCA #3198-Each one, teach one
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 02-10-2012, 07:46 PM
j38 j38 is online now
US Veteran
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: OR
Posts: 3,387
Likes: 3,608
Liked 728 Times in 243 Posts
Default

Glad to see those 2 guns end up in your care, David. Thanks for the great pics and continuing lessens.

Jerry
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 02-10-2012, 10:48 PM
handejector's Avatar
handejector handejector is offline
Administrator
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 18,166
Likes: 1,631
Liked 21,794 Times in 4,229 Posts
Default

Beautiful guns, David.
Good for you.

Be sure and tell Roy it has un-numbered magnas on it.
I do believe that most K-22/40's shipped with magnas even though many are known with service grips.
I also believe a lot of late shipped guns have original magnas that were not numbered.
__________________
Regards,
Lee Jarrett
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 02-11-2012, 02:40 AM
RKmesa's Avatar
RKmesa RKmesa is online now
SWCA Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: AZ
Posts: 4,234
Likes: 10,375
Liked 18,924 Times in 2,128 Posts
Thumbs up

Quote:
Originally Posted by DCWilson View Post
Roger, like the ones on your gun, these K-22 stocks are unnumbered. I suspect that magnas installed on some K-22/40s were simply not marked. These stocks have the patent-stamped stainless dished rounds on the inside. This gun's history make me think these stocks are original to the gun; I would bet the unnumbered stocks you have came on your gun, too.
David:

Congrats on two real beauties! I love both of them, but I am particularly envious of that kit gun, as I already have a couple of pre-war Masterpieces (684735 and 687594).

I have two sets of pre-war K-frame magnas on pre-war K-22's (one set of which is on 684735). Neither set is numbered.

As always, thanks for sharing,
__________________
Richard
Engraved S&W fan

Last edited by RKmesa; 02-11-2012 at 02:44 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #46  
Old 02-11-2012, 09:04 AM
DCWilson's Avatar
DCWilson DCWilson is offline
SWCA Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 13,350
Likes: 3,902
Liked 6,045 Times in 2,126 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by boykinlp View Post
David, as usual, you have done it again. Showing me something that makes me very envious. I love the K22/40. One of these is not on my "list" only because I don't think I could actual find one. But, if I do, I would be a happy camper too. Thanks for sharing your pictures and knowledge.
Thank you, but but our envies are probably in balance on this one. You still have that unbelievably nice early K-22 Outdoorsman with the King Super Target rib. I know it is your gun, but I still have dreams about it (or maybe I'm dreaming about its twin).
__________________
David Wilson

Last edited by DCWilson; 02-11-2012 at 09:14 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #47  
Old 02-11-2012, 05:58 PM
fxntime fxntime is offline
Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 96
Likes: 0
Liked 53 Times in 14 Posts
Default

Both of those are just beautiful, I have a hard enough time just FINDING an older K-22 someone wants to sell.
Reply With Quote
  #48  
Old 04-06-2012, 10:36 AM
DCWilson's Avatar
DCWilson DCWilson is offline
SWCA Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 13,350
Likes: 3,902
Liked 6,045 Times in 2,126 Posts
Default Additional info from letters

Letters received yesterday contained new shipment info. Please see edit to original post for details.
__________________
David Wilson
Reply With Quote
  #49  
Old 04-06-2012, 10:42 AM
crofoot629 crofoot629 is offline
Absent Comrade
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Ashland, Oregon
Posts: 1,205
Likes: 34
Liked 434 Times in 221 Posts
Default

Thanks for posting.

Those are darn fine Grail Guns.

Emory
Reply With Quote
  #50  
Old 04-06-2012, 10:57 AM
RKmesa's Avatar
RKmesa RKmesa is online now
SWCA Member
Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added) Two Prewar .22 Grail Guns Come Home (Letter Info Added)  
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: AZ
Posts: 4,234
Likes: 10,375
Liked 18,924 Times in 2,128 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DCWilson View Post
Letters received yesterday contained new shipment info. Please see edit to original post for details.
David:

Did the letter indicate if the 22/40 shipped with the magnas? BTW - I forgot how beautiful these two guns were. Thank you for pushing this thread back to the top!
__________________
Richard
Engraved S&W fan
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
2nd model, cartridge, commercial, grooved, k-22, k-frame, k22, kit gun, lock, masterpiece, micrometer, model 39, outdoorsman, patridge, postwar, prewar, recessed, sideplate, walnut, weatherby, wwii

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Factory letter received for prewar 38/44 HD BibleronKJV S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 0 11-04-2015 11:48 PM
A Crash Course in Prewar Kit Guns (Two more variants added: see post no. 29) DCWilson S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 48 04-05-2014 11:29 AM
Some Working Stiffs ** KC letter & HPD info added below quinn S&W Hand Ejectors: 1896 to 1961 21 07-12-2013 09:32 PM
Holy Grail gun comes home! Nframe_is_no1 S&W Revolvers: 1961 to 1980 15 09-21-2009 05:15 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:50 PM.


© S-W Forum, LLC 2000-2018
Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)