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Model 1904, 4th with Heiser Holster Score
A model 1905, 4th change (301068) popped up on a local gun board yesterday. Price wanted was $368, holster included. Poor picture. On close look the holster looked like it deserved more info. I emailed the seller, asked for more photos, some specific questions about the gun and any manufacturer markings on the holster. Yup it was a HH Heiser. My offer of $300 was refused (had to try) and we quickly settled on $350. Two questions about the gun. 1) The 3rd edition of Supica/Nahas says 4th change models with service sights in square butt are rare - is this correct? There are no S&W logos or Made in USA markings - is this typical?
Picture is sellers from add - sorry for poor framing.
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02-19-2012, 12:25 AM
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Square butt M&Ps are not at all rare, they are by far the most common configuration in 4th Change guns. The "Rare" remark in SCSW3 is deleted in the published Errata. Purely a mistake by whoever wrote the copy.
That SN range falls in ca. 1918-1929 when a lack of the roll-marked S&W logo is quite common. It relates to WWI production requiremenys of the Model 1917.
Here is the Errata list:
Typos, errata & other minor corrections to
"The Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson", 3rd Edition, by Jim Supica & Richard Nahas
List compiled by Richard Nahas. Thanks to members of Smith-WessonForum.com for their input!
Corrections to Standard Cat of S&W 3rd Edition.
Pages 5&6:
Add Don Mundell & Patrick Combs to Contributors
Page 26: Photos of grips are reversed
Page 44: Bottom left Photo has
“Auction Block-Engraved Guns” in Caption
This should be a heading on next column.
Page 124: Spelling error in text of 9mm caliber test revolver
“Thatg”
Page 127: Photo attribution should be to “Dave Nowak collection- Paul Goodwin photo”
Page 129: Photo attribution should be to “Dave Nowak collection- Paul Goodwin photo”
Page 130: Left photo has spelling error “Collwction” &
Gun is post war frame rather than prewar believed to be factory. -ask Dave Nowak
Page133: Price block has error -should be $1000 not $100
Page 135:
1) delete “Model of 1950” reference to Pre Model 27
2) Photo attribution should be to “Dave Nowak collection- Paul Goodwin photo”
Page 140: Left column : delete 2nd bullet text under variations This is the "Rare"comment.
Page 146: Right column 3rd bullet from bottom : delete “and” from “flat latch and 3rd variation thumbpiece” and substitute “or”
Page 149: Price block should be $295 instead of $95
Page 155: Bottom Right Column: Price block is cut in Half
Page 158: left column 2nd paragraph 6th line : delete “and” from “with and S&W medallions”
Page 161: Photo attribution should be to “Dave Nowak collection- Paul Goodwin photo”
Page 164: should be serial number “09” -right column -1st bullet from top.
Page 166: Photo attribution -right column -should be to “Dave Nowak collection- Paul Goodwin photo”
Page 174: Right Column “1968: Delete ddiamond grips”
Should read “diamond”
Page 175: Left column delete 1st bullet info in reference to “Premium for 5 screw etc”
Page 193: Left column under Engineering & Production Changes: delete “1974: Mahogany case as standard”
Page 196: Right column under “Variations”
Delete last bullet (only the bullet) so text reads: “Approximately five stamped with the Performance Center trademark ………. 4” barrel with recessed cylinder”
Page 206: Photo attribution -right column -Top Photo should be to “Dave Nowak collection- Paul Goodwin photo”
Page 230: left column -2nd bullet Montana Fish & Game
Should be “Stamped MFG001-MFG130”
Page 236: 2 items
1) Bottom left column under “Engineering and production Changes”- run together--6th bullet should start new line with
* 2002: Change markings from four lines to two”
2) “Product Codes and Features by Year” should wrap to top of next column and push “Engineering and Production Changes” to top of next column on next page (237)
Page 250: top of left column --2 product codes runs together
“170170 …..” should start new line under
“170113 GIGN 586-4”
Page 252: Left column -middle of page --“Notes on Models 520 , 619 and 620” --delete reference to “each with an unshrouded ejector rod” in 3rd sentence
Page 255: left column in middle of page -“2001 retail $730” sticks out past text
Page 280: Right column bottom:
Production and engineering Changes --bullets are missing
* 46….
* 1959…
* 1964….
* 1968…
Page 284” delete reference to “4110” steel barrel in Olympic Gun delete just “4110”
Page 287: Top right column just above photo delete “52-3” reference and make it “52-2” there are no 52-3’s models
Page 288 : Right column under “variations” delete reference to “800 thought to exist” and make it read “80”
Page 290: bottom left column has split price block
Page 291: Photo attribution -right column bottom photo -should be to “Dave Nowak collection- Paul Goodwin photo”
Page 300: left column price block should be $450 not $4500
Page 309 : left column --photo should be “top” and “bottom” not left and right
Page 315: left column should read
“Product Codes and Features by Year”
Page 319: Right column should read
“Product Codes and Features by Year”
Page 330: Model 76 photo attribution should be “ Nahas collection, Paul Goodwin photo”
Page 367: left column photo should read” Model 952-2 Long Slide with 952-1 Frame- S&W photo”
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Last edited by Alk8944; 02-19-2012 at 12:33 AM.
Reason: Add SCSW3 Errata
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02-19-2012, 01:17 AM
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Nice gun. EXCELLENT holster. That alone is worth $150 or more. You did great on that buy!
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02-19-2012, 01:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fat tom
Nice gun. EXCELLENT holster. That alone is worth $150 or more. You did great on that buy!
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I bought it from a kid (relative to my age anyway). He got it from a friend whose g-father had supposedly used it for cowboy action. Seller didn't have a clue about the holster. I ran after this one! Now I've got an itch for holsters. I seem to lug a whole library with me to the LGS's.
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02-19-2012, 06:06 PM
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Hate to tell you,but if that itch gets really bad,it can cost you more than you've been spending on guns. Better nip it in the bud,as Barney would say. 
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02-19-2012, 09:03 PM
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I've got a gun just like that one... But I sure don't have a holster for it like that. You really scored, especially if that holster is about the same vintage as the gun.
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02-19-2012, 09:17 PM
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Nice outfit. Heiser's ads used to state "No man ever lived long enough to wear out a Heiser Holster".
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