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Do the reflectors on the front sights really work?
They do. And the degree of how well they work is relative to how high the ambient light level is. The more light on an object the better the eye can see it. I wear reading glasses to be able to read news print in a newspaper. In bright sunlight I can take off my glasses and read newsprint perfectly. So a fuzzy front sight will sharpen right up in bright sun and even more with the extra reflected light, for example.

The worse your eyes are, the better the reflective sight works. But it even helps those with perfect eyesight.
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Adding my recent acquisition to King thread. Super target, 38/44 outdoorsman, #4087x shipped March 1932. this came with a trigger shoe and some late S&W targets. Found some Sanderson's (I think) at local gun show that are at least more period correct.




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Also picked up a 1940 win mod 71 and added a King red bead reflector base sight. I got so excited about finding a King sight, I bought it without really looking at it. Assumed it was for a revolver, but it turned out to be for a Mod 70, 71 or 54 win.











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These aren't the guns with King sights, just different King front and rear sights I have a display of.
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Specifics from the 1939 King Catalog:

No. 5-A $42.50

Fitted with King Ramp Reflective Sight model #130 with black bead inside of shined outline. New model micrometered click adjustable windage and elevation adjusting rear sight with automatic lock.

Honed action, adjusted trigger pull and anti-stop trigger stop - $5.00

Roper Stocks $9.00

Total $56.50 or $1,026 2018 dollars.
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(Cross-posted from another King thread)

Coincidentally I just reached into my safe a few minutes ago and withdrew a revolver I haven’t fired in about 25 years. It’s a Model 1905 Hand Ejector 4th version target model with a 6-inch barrel and Roper-style thumb rest stocks that was gifted to me by my godmother 35 years ago or so. It belonged to her uncle who was a Mississippi riverboat gambler, and carried a pair of Colt Detective Specials with the front sights filed off. She kept those but gave me his target gun.

It has the King rifle base front sight with gold bead, and adjustable rear with half-circle notch. I was intrigued by it and was going to start a new post because tonight I read this in Wikipedia in a photo caption:

“Smith & Wesson 1905 4th change 1915 Target model. "NRA"Slow Fire at 25 yards. This one left the factory in 1929 and was sent with ten others to a firm in Buenos Aires. The hammer was added later and is in the general form of the King Gun Shop modification usually intended for the timed and rapid fire portions of the NRA course.”

I know nothing about the King Gun Shop, and would like to learn more. I happened to see this post and decided to ask here instead. (I have learned a lot since I first posted this elsewhere a few days ago, and now realize this gun is pretty special).

Here is a fun anecdote. I grew up in San Francisco. When I was given this revolver it was missing the rear sight blade. I took it to the only gun shop in town, run by a very Yoda-like old Chinese man named F. Bob Chow, who I later learned was a true legend in shooting circles. (RIP)

I asked him if he could help sort out my rear sight problem. He explained to me that the gun had King sights, which were very rare, a pre-war thing. He asked me if I knew what he did before he opened his shop, and of course I didn’t. He said, “I was the manager of the King Gun Sight Company”. He chuckled and walked to the back room, and came back with a fishing tackle box. He opened it up and explained that when they folded, he was given all their leftover inventory. He rooted around for a second, and came up with a perfect rear sight blade, installed it, handed it to me and refused to take payment!

A true gentleman!

My gun had an unbelievable hair trigger (he characterized it as being extremely dangerous, and he kept the gun that day to fix it and turn it into a safe but very light trigger). Could it be that this gun was given the treatment by King? It seems probable.

It looks quite unremarkable, has a lot of the bluing worn off, and is almost supernaturally accurate. I think I’m going to fire up my press and load a bunch of .38 HBWC rounds and start shooting it again....

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One more pic...Iím told these are not Roper grips although they have some of the Roper hallmarks. I believe they are pre-war. Any ideas?
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Need to show other side, and insides of grips. Nice gun!
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Well duh, why didn’t I think of that?

Actually I looked inside the other day looking for the distinctive ‘Roper’ marks but none were there. Today I looked again in bright light, and lo and behold, the grips are signed, plain as day!

A Google search on ‘Henry Brauniche’ turned up nothing. What say you guys?

Sadly there is a chip missing. When I was given this gun, it had spent years just rattling around in a drawer of a metal filing cabinet....
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Haven't heard of him, but looks like excellent work. King? Maybe owners name instead of gripmaker? G&H? Several here on forum do wood repair and I think those are nice enough to warrant restoration. Trade you even for a set of Pachmayr rubbers with no chips missing!
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Mike,

That's a gun with very interesting provenance including the rear sight blade replacement. Needs to be written down and kept with the gun for posterity.

Since you have the shipping info, I presume you have a S&W historical letter. And I further presume it confirms the gun was shipped as a factory target model. Does it mention the King sights? Because S&W would often install King and other makers' sights on special order which would be mentioned in the letter.

If not, it went to King for his sights after it left S&W, which I suspect because it has a S&W rear sight first introduced in 1935 with the second elevation lock screw improvement. It could have been upgraded by King with the S&W "2 screw" sight and King's rear sight blade when they installed their light reflecting front sight on your gun.
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Thanks—no, I don’t have shipping info, nor a S&W letter, just anecdotal info from my Godmother who gave it to me years ago. I once had an email from Roy Jinks telling me only the year of manufacture, but I lost it in a computer crash and sadly I don’t remember what it said.

I think I should work on getting an S&W letter to find out the real scoop.

Form and check went out in the mail just now. I guess it will be some months before I get a response...

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A top-of-the-line Super Target Outdoorsman with all of the bells and wistles...



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Form and check went out in the mail just now. I guess it will be some months before I get a response...
Just a short month later, letter has arrived!

I also spoke to my Godmother today who told me quite a lot about the former owner, who was quite a character! He was a big player in the politics of the county immediately south of San Francisco:

http://https://www.smdailyjournal.com/news/local/the-two-sides-of-john-marchbank/article_fb455680-2055-5e7d-a964-ef150250bde8.html
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Old thread, maybe off topic. I have a 1903 Springfield with a King Reflector. Only one I have ever seen.

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Plain Old Dave, thanks for bringing this thread back up. I picked up this Colt Officers Model Target that had the full King treatment, including a short action job.


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I have an Officers Model Target heavy barrel with King front and rear sights.



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This is a Colt Shooting Master in .357 caliber with King rib.
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Oh boy! Great Great guns! I never owned a Smith with King modifications but back in the early 70's I did own a Colt single action, 5 1/2", .44 special, nickel, 1 piece ivory grips that was special order 1n 1936 for a colonel of ordnance and sent from Colt to King and fitted with a reflector front sight, King rear sight, "Cockeyed" hammer, and wide target trigger, and a short action conversion. The revolver was 99% condition with a carved Heisser holster. The gun lettered from Colt. Unfortunately, I made my living as a "picker" of antique and collectible guns and my family had to eat so I couldn't keep it- nor could I keep the couple of Registered 357's or the first month of production 5 screw pre-29 or the auto rifle. I'm still over weight so I must have eaten well....
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Plain Old Dave, thanks for bringing this thread back up. I picked up this Colt Officers Model Target that had the full King treatment, including a short action job.


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I know weíre talking about King sights and action work here, but Iím curious about those stocks... are they Sandersonís or early Herrettís or whose?
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... and a 4" .22 Masterpiece with a King Red Post on a Reflector Ramp...





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A second model 44 with King rib. I am also posting photo of King Cockeyed hammer, I do not remember if it was on this second model.

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Wow Fritz, you had some real gems pass through your hands! Family has to come first, of course, but I hope the folks that pried them from you had to pay very dearly!😀
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That one looks super sweet! Have you shot it yet?
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