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Old 04-20-2012, 06:50 PM
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Picked up this 5 screw 6.5" "Pre" Model 27 locally today (Center gun)


No grips but original blueing, 5 screw frame, according to SCSW Serial S96xxx app. DOB is 1953/54 ,
Patridge FS with "proud" pins.

At almost 60 shes in pretty good shape for her age with only some slight blemishes.
Lockup and mechanics are rock solid with exceptional trigger action .

Now for the not so good,
At some point an aftermarket spring loaded trigger stop was fitted which unfortunately required drilling the frame
and although the internals were smoothed and polished unfortunately they also decided to polish the case hardening colors from the hammer and trigger as well.




The trigger mod did cause me some hesitation but ultimately the $500 price tag was too reasonable
for a gun this good to pass up .

Has anyone ever seen this type of trigger stop modification before?

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Never seen an alteration like that. I'd guess being spring loaded, it was done to enhance DA speed (trigger rebound) rather than just a trigger stop for SA fire.
Though at the correct length & spring resistance it would help SA letoff too.

..Must have used one of those special angle drills to get that hole into the back of the trigger guard..
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Never seen an alteration like that. I'd guess being spring loaded, it was done to enhance DA speed (trigger rebound) rather than just a trigger stop for SA fire.
Though at the correct length & spring resistance it would help SA letoff too.

..Must have used one of those special angle drills to get that hole into the back of the trigger guard..
It definately helps apply resistance in double action just prior to hammer drop from what I can tell so far.

At first I thought they did it with an angle drill but they actually went right through the trigger guard then repaired the hole...They did a good job repairing the hole but it can be seen when held to the light.

I was on the fence but it functions well, looks good and is a shooter thats in very good condition otherwise,
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The modification looks to have been professionally done. I've seen a few like that over the years. That gun is well worth what you bought it for.
Those older N frames are just plain handsome.
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Figured if I didnt like the mod I could remove it and plug the hole but am actually starting to like it.
Dont get me wrong I would never do that to one of my N frames but its going to stay in this gun at least for now.

On a side note is the 6.5" barrel version a minority amongst pre model 5 screws ?
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i saw the gun on gunbroker....advertised as a model 19....i thought about buying it but the trigger stop issue held me back..even tho it was a great price
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Thats the one,
I actually sent a link to a friend that collects Model 19's then realized it was a pre 27.

Seller had a 19 also for sale and called this a 19,
He actually got it cheap from a friend of his just wanted to flip it.
I think it rolled over twice with no bidders when I finally found it and hit the buy now button.
He offered to ship it but I drove down to SW Miami to pick it up to make sure it wasnt a basketcase.

For those of you that dont know driving to SW Miami from Palm Beach county is like driving through Manhatten or Chicago during rush hour....Ugh!

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I am sure I could get $500 worth of shooting from that beauty.

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Long drive or not. I like it. And I'm glad it's not a 1956 gun,
otherwise I'd be making the drive to Palm beach to camp on your
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From your photos the quality of the work appears very well done, and to the untrained (like me) to looks like a factory job. As you know you now have a great shooter, enjoy it.
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Any possibility it was done to help with a "two stage" double action pull? Pull quickly back to the resistance and then just a little bit more to fire it...as in "almost" single action?
Just wondering and thinking out loud...

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It definately helps apply resistance in double action just prior to hammer drop from what I can tell so far.

At first I thought they did it with an angle drill but they actually went right through the trigger guard then repaired the hole...They did a good job repairing the hole but it can be seen when held to the light.

I was on the fence but it functions well, looks good and is a shooter thats in very good condition otherwise,
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I was kidding about an 'angle drill',,but maybe there is something that'd do that. Not a master machinist here!

To have gone right through the trigger guard and then plugged (welded) it up and finished it back over is obviously the direct route but not for the average weekend DIY gun guy.

It's done in the industry. Ruger #1 firing pin hole in the breechblock is machined from the rear of the block. Then the entrance hole is welded up and finished over. Astra used to do it on their 300/400/600 & similar series pistols for the firing pin hole in the slide.

It's a pro looking job. Nothing sloppy about it. Could be disabled easily enough if you wanted to. Even made into a hard stop instead of spring loaded to function as a true SA trigger stop.

Nice revolver,,Pre-27's are hard not to like.
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Everything appears to have been done with great care and it must have had the cylinder bores polished as
loading and unloading was a breeze.


Down to the local range for a quick session and after a 6 round warm up with my Model 17 standing and unsupported sent 6 rounds of FMJ .38 special 130 grain RN down range at 50' resulting in this 1.5" spread .

A Gun like this really spoils you at the range, I purposely took a 5" model 10 to shoot alongside ,
Compared to the venernable 6.5" barrel N frame .357 Magnum it fealt like a cap gun !




PS , I know the pics are terrible and the grips are wrong generation but what do you think of the Service grips on it?

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Any possibility it was done to help with a "two stage" double action pull? Pull quickly back to the resistance and then just a little bit more to fire it...as in "almost" single action?
Just wondering and thinking out loud...

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Bill thats exactly what I was trying to say but without much success and yes it seems to work,
Comparing it with an unmodified Model 27 I dont think it is worth the hassle for the difference it makes,
Then again I have fairly good trigger control in double action,
Maybe if the previous owner could not master this technique it might help make enough difference but
in a long tube target gun not intended for Combat use I dont really see the necessity.
Perhaps the gunsmith was a good salesman and the previouse owner had some cash burning a hole in his pocket.
Either that or it was a long winter and he had alot of time and a new drill press.

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Bill thats exactly what I was trying to say but without much success and yes it seems to work,
Comparing it with an unmodified Model 27 I dont think it is worth the hassle for the difference it makes,
Then again I have fairly good trigger control in double action,
Maybe if the previous owner could not master this technique it might help make enough difference but
in a long tube target gun not intended for Combat use I dont really see the necessity.
Perhaps the gunsmith was a good salesman and the previouse owner had some cash burning a hole in his pocket.
Either that or it was a long winter and he had alot of time and a new drill press.

Yes I agree this modification is designed for rapid double action firing, where you quickly pull the trigger back to the "stop", refine sight alignment and then finish the trigger stroke.

I had a similar set up on my Bomar Ribbed K 38 I shot in PPC Matches.
There was a stud on the back of the trigger, and I put a piece of rubber tube on it. The rubber tube would contact the frame of the revolver before the hammer dropped allowing me to stage my DA firing stroke.

In PPC I shot Double Action even at 50 yards.

By adjusting the length of the piece of rubber tube I coulod control how much "force" was required to finish the pull.

When shooting at "combat rapid fire speed" these kind of DA staging "devices" are usually not noticed.
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Has anyone ever seen this type of trigger stop modification before?
I've never seen that. Looks like a neat job, but a whole lot of trouble for nothing.
The trigger stop inside the rebound spring works very well when properly fitted.
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