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I have an old M&P ser. C 4302xx. It has a pinned barrel and a screw in front of the trigger guard. Can someone give me a date of manufacture, and is it safe for +P ammo?
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1960. Yes, you can shoot +P in it, but I prefer semi-wadcutters for target practice. Open the cylinder and see the Mod. 10- stamping. Should be 10-1. Is it a heavy barrel, 4" by any chance?
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1960. Yes, you can shoot +P in it, but I prefer semi-wadcutters for target practice. Open the cylinder and see the Mod. 10- stamping. Should be 10-1. Is it a heavy barrel, 4" by any chance?
I'm watching for the reply (early 4" HB).
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I'm going to say 1958 for this one as I have a 4" M&P 4 screw # C45939X
which is marked Mod 10 (no dash) and is a standard barrel.
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This is a 2" with a round butt and a round front sight, and there is no mod 10 stamp under the crane.
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The serial number ranges in the SCSW must be off by 3 years if that snubbie was made in 1957. rbb, can you post some pictures?
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The short answer to your real question is that it is NOT waranted or recommended for Plus P. The factory has advised that until Model numbers were used, guns are not deemed suitable for Plus P. No frame number, no Plus P. Really simple!

Dr. Pig and others may differ, but that is the factory line. And the bit about Model numbers refers ONLY to steel frames, not light alloy ones. Until quite recently, no light alloy frames were certified for Plus P ammo. They stretch and they crack!

Even if your gun was shipped after 1957, the date when Models appeared, if YOUR gun was not marked it is probably made of steel before the metallurgy changed. They used up existing parts before making new ones. Snubs, in particular, seem to have been using old parts, which is why (I think) so many still had the half moon shaped front sights as late as they did.

Probably the cylinder bears the brunt of pressure, and you have no way of knowing the metallurgy of your cylinder. But the forcing cone also takes some of that added pressure.

Now, to complicate matters, some maintain that current Plus P ammo (but not some older ones) actually is loaded no hotter than old standard rounds were.

Someone will be along to tell you that they've fired Plus P in older guns with no problems. I'm just telling you what S&W officially says. I DO think that the older, softer steels will cause cylinder endshake to occur sooner than an equivalent amount of use with newer guns will cause. The more you fire warm ammo, the sooner wear will occur.

Now, Saxon Pig (member) and perhaps others will tell you their spiel. But if I were you, I wouldn't trust anything he says. For one thing, he wears a beard. I have trouble trusting people who hide their faces. Heck, Osama bin Laden wore a beard!

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I mentioned a round butt on this thread earlier, but I misspoke. I have two m&p snubies and this is not the round butt.

I keep getting an error message when trying to upload pictures. I think the file size on an individual picture is too great. Help!
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I mentioned a round butt on this thread earlier, but I misspoke. I have two m&p snubies and this is not the round butt.

I keep getting an error message when trying to upload pictures. I think the file size on an individual picture is too great. Help!
Post your pics to a site like Photobucket. They will automatically re-size them and then you can post them here.
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Here are photos of this revolver that rbb sent me.



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Made right before model numbers assigned.

+P is a standard pressure load (despite what some mistakenly believe) and is safe in any quality made gun in good condition. The notion of using model numbers as a cut-off for +P is ridiculous as +P did not exist in 1957 and these is no difference between the last gun made without a number and the first one made with the number except for the number.

Here's a pair of similar guns that are a few years older.

BTW- many rounds of my loads that far exceed +P pressures have rolled off their backs.


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I also have a round butt model, similar to the one in the phto. 5 screws, but a different shaped hammer. I can't see over the hammer spur with it down, I can only see the rear sight with it at full cock. I think it is a 1905, 4th chg. it is shown on another post with a date question.
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