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Could this be an original casing? I've never seen one like it. It contained a 4-screw .44 Magnum, 6 1/2", and all the paperwork was under the insert. It appears to be made of a woodgrained paper applied over a wood case. The fitted inserts fit perfectly.






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It definitely does not look right to me. The top appears to be some sort of particleboard.
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Is it possible that this is an early M57 case? I have only seen a picture of the early "contact paper" case. However, the inside of this one is completely different.

Early 57 with uncommon presentation box (Updated: Correct front sight)
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The case is one of the five or six made and shipped with a Model 57 in late 64 to 65. I had one several years ago. The interior is nice (satin), but the exterior looks "cheap".

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Hey BlackAnges
I believe what you have is a trial case used by S&W, maybe an experiment? I have very little information on this case. The information I have is it was used on an early mod 57.

Early variation Approx. 1965 ?
Styrofoam top and bottom liner molded to the gun. The liners were covered in dark
blue satin cloth. There are recesses for the sight adjustment tool, bore mop and
cleaning rod (with brush attached) formed in the bottom liner. The gun points to the
left. The exterior wood case is covered with a wood grain contact paper.

I see from your picture yours came with a Banjor Punta Parts List which would make it post 1965. Do you know the ship date of your gun or could you email me the serial number of your gun so I can check it against my data base?
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Joe...the Model 57 associated with my case was shipped in January 1965. Per Ray Brazille, four or five of these cases/57s surfaced intially at the S&WCA annual meeting in Birmingham, AL and were purchased by various collectors. I bought mine from Harrison Carroll in the late 80s.

I have never seen anything "official" about these cases and I believe Mr. Jinks is not familiar with them.

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Hey Bill
Thanks, this information is about the same as I have. The other cases I have seen(pictures of) were all associated with a mod 57 or empty! The one thing that is interesting about the OP's gun/case is it is for a 6 1/2" barrel. The model 57 came with a 6" barrel so the liners would have been different! Maybe some day I will be able to examine one up close?
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Well, I learn something every day. Never seen one like that before.
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Joe...If you look at the case and the impression made by the barrel, I think you will see the cutout is for a revolver with a 6-inch barrel.

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Joe--

The serial number of the .44 that was in the case is S-1713xx, non-model-marked 4-screw, but I have no way of knowing if it was the original inhabitant!

It is indeed formed for a 6 1/2" gun, although the foam is "stepped" to accomodate a 6" barrel, so does that possibly rule out a M57?

The corners are frayed and the case has some sticky stuff on the outside here and there, but the inside is satin-covered styrofoam.

Any idea of the value?

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When I first looked at the picture, I didn't think the interior had the satin lining so that's why I thought it was different.
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Hey Bill
I see what you are refering to about the 6" barrel impression, good point!

Hey BlackAges
According to the data I have, your gun was shipped sometime in early 1957. That would make the gun too early for the case you have posted. A period correct case would be the early black 44Mag case. As to the value? ? ? I have never had one of these cases in my hands and have seen only 5 or 6 different pictures of these cases. I have never seen one of these bought or sold so I have no benchmark for a price! I would venture a guess that a model 57 collector woud be the only person interested in one of these cases! ? ! ? (IMHO)

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It is indeed formed for a 6 1/2" gun, although the foam is "stepped" to accomodate a 6" barrel.
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I'll be the last person to challenge Bill's (Doc44), Joe's (jcselect) or Chuck's (29-1) expertise concerning Presentation Cases, but in this case I'm going to stick my neck out as I've encountered quite a few of these Odd Cases over the years & I'll pass along what I've found concerning them!!

First of all, I believe that the very small amount of these that are claimed to exist is somewhat of a "Ghost Story" as I personally have handled, at the very least, 15-20 of these Cases in the past & encountered quite a few more in my travels over the years!! So given that, plus the fact that within the past 4 or 5 yrs I've run across quite a few more of them on Internet Sites, along with a few owned by members here since then, I'd have to believe the amount existing is somewhat closer to what Chuck Odum (29-1) claimed there to be in a post he made here some years back which I believe was approx. 200 if memory serves!! Honestly, I believe that claim "May" be a bit on the high side myself, but since there doesn't seem to be any Factory Documentation as to just how many, when, for how long or for what reason they were used seems to exist, I doubt we'll ever know for certain just how many there really were...and/or Why!!

I will say that the "Only" Revolvers I've ever seen in these Cases were "Very Early" shipped Model 57's!! Now here's something that will get the gears turning, I have personally handled at least Three of these with Liners that would accommodate both 6" & 6 1/2" Barrel Lengths as I believe Tim's run across!! The Liners in all Three of those were identical to what Tim's describing as having a "Formed" Step in the Frt. Sight Area & there was nothing out of the ordinary with the way it was formed that would lead me to believe it was anything other than the way it was originally made!! Other than those Three, all of the others that I've handled personally over the years were formed to fit a 6" Barrel "Only"!!

Now all we can hope for is that someone will eventually stumble across some documentation about them to make some sense as to what these Cases were all about!!

Bill's right though....They Sure Do Look "Cheap" From The Outside...Ha!!~Ha!!
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I have two of these and have traded off a couple more over the years. They are well put together internally but like Bill says, the contact paper exterior is pretty cheap looking. I don't remember exactly where I came up with the 200 number I'm quoted on but it was from another collector who I figured I'm sure knew what he was talking about. I have only seen them with the Model 57.
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Here are my two with a couple of other same period cases with different inserts.

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My case, referenced above in the attached thread, came with revolver M57 Sn#S248574 which shipped in January 1965. It is also a six inch gun.
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My early 'S'prefix M57 came with the satin blue cloth material liner.
But the box was the usual wood construction,not the contact paper covered version.
It was a 4inch bbl'd M57.

Must have run out of the paper covered boxes and had a few liners leftover,,at least for the 4"bbl.

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As it turns out, I just last week acquired a very nice engraved and gold inlaid early model 57 SN S254447 (I'll post some photos of the gun when I get a little time to appropriately photograph it). And you would never guess what it came in... OK - based on this thread, you're right - a wood grain contact paper box! I thought that I may have seen one on the forum, but this is the 1st one that I have seen in person.

My box is numbered 79 on the lid and seems to be written with the same "script" and pen as BA's 145. Based on this thread and the numbers on the box lid, one could take a huge jump to the conclusion that the numbers in the lid correspond with the number of boxes; therefore, there may be at least 145 such woodgrain-"panel wagon" (think 1978 Ford Country Squire Station Wagon) boxes.

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Early variation Approx. 1965 ?
Styrofoam top and bottom liner molded to the gun. The liners were covered in dark blue satin cloth. There are recesses for the sight adjustment tool, bore mop and cleaning rod (with brush attached) formed in the bottom liner. The gun points to the left. The exterior wood case is covered with a wood grain contact paper.

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One correction - there is no molded Styrofoam in the inserts of my box. The top insert on my box is a cardboard-backed soft foam covered by the blue satin. The bottom insert is the stacked layered cardboard, with cut-outs for the gun and tools and covered by the blue satin. I had both the top and bottom inserts out of the box and should have taken photos of them, but I didn't think of it at the time.
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I can't help with the boxes, but the info offered is contributing to my education. Where is the idea of early Model 57's only having 6" barrels comming from? I have two, S2503XX in blue and S2492XX in Nickel and both have 6.5" barrels. I guess I really need letters on them. The Nickel one came in a wood box but the liner was all replaced by previous owner. Thanks, kyle
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One correction - there is no molded Styrofoam in the inserts of my box. The top insert on my box is a cardboard-backed soft foam covered by the blue satin. The bottom insert is the stacked layered cardboard, with cut-outs for the gun and tools and covered by the blue satin.
Rick,

Now that you've jogged my memory as to the Underlying Material the Lower Liner of your Case is constructed of, I don't believe Joe's information needs to be corrected so much as it's being another variation of what material was used in these Cases because I remember now that a few of those I had encountered over the years had the same Stacked Cardboard Lowers in them like yours!! Although I will say in thinking back that I remember more of them having the Styrofoam Lowers than the Stacked Cardboard!! Of course I didn't pull the Lowers out of all of them I ran across to see what material was used so I surely wouldn't want to attest to how many of each may exist...only that I've seen both!!

As far as the Upper Liners, I can't honestly say I paid much attention to the Underlying Material at the time so I wouldn't want to speculate if they were all like yours or not!! Also, since I don't remember pulling any of the Top Liners down to look underneath, you've brought up a good point as far as the No.'s found inside the Lids being a possible reference as to how many of them may exist...Good Thinking!!
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You boys have given me information overload! When you say "stacked cardboard" I must assume you mean the cardboard base like those used in the mod 53 & 41 boxes and not the single piece of cardboard of the black cases and the transistion case of early 1960. I can understand the "stacked bardboard" as this method was being used in other boxes of the period. Also the styrofoam was being used in other presentation cases in the mid 60s, as seen in Chuck's picture, which would be the clam shell! From the responce to this thread it appears there were more than a few of these cases made! Am I reaching here? Was S&W experimenting with cases for the then new model 57 in 1964/65? There is the velvet lined Mahogany cases, the contact paper satin lined cases, and so far we have seen these cases in 6" only, no 4" and/or 8 3/8"!
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Checked my gun and box and the barrel is a 6 inch (actually more like 5 7/8's) and the top insert is foam and the bottom is the stacked cardboard. Under the top liner on my box has the number "22" written in grease pencil.
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I looked at my liners again and the lower liner is indeed stacked, die-cut cardboard and the upper is foam, backed with a silver cardboard liner.

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From the response to this thread it appears there were more than a few of these cases made! Am I reaching here? Was S&W experimenting with cases for the then new model 57 in 1964/65?
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I think by now we can be assured that there are more of these Cases around than there were originally thought to exist!!

Also, I have seen more than one or two of these "Contact Paper" Cases with Styrofoam Satin-Covered Liners, at least the Lowers were, over the years & highly doubt that all of them would have been ones that someone had gone to the trouble of changing out the Stacked Cardboard with the Styrofoam from one of the other Presentation Cases of the period because the Stacked Cardboard Liners used in the 53's & 41's seemed to hold up fairly well even not having the Satin Covering, but since I have none in-hand, or access to any to provide Photos of at the present, you'll have to take my observations on my word!! Another reason I believe these were original is the fact that most of the Revolvers in these Cases looked to be ANIB so there must have been some sort of experimenting going on!!

I only wish now I would have taken more interest in them at the time so I'd have access to at least one of them to show all of you because I know I wasn't seeing things...Ha!!~Ha!! I "Am" working on trying to locate a couple of them that previously belonged to a friend of mine, but as it's been some time since he sold them, it isn't likely I'll have any Photos for all of you in the near future!! Rest assured though, when & if I receive any, I'll post them ASAP!!
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I don't believe Joe's information needs to be corrected so much as it's being another variation of what material was used in these Cases...
I have to agree with you - what I meant to say was "One clarification, based on my one box example..."

Joe:

The "stacked cardboard" is not like the 3 blue/black 44 Mag cases that I have. It is really stacked (hamburger style) die cut cardboard where just enough layers are cut/removed to give appropriate support to the parts of the gun that needs supporting.

This has been a very fun and timely thread for me.

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As it turns out, I just last week acquired a very nice engraved and gold inlaid early model 57 SN S254447 (I'll post some photos of the gun when I get a little time to appropriately photograph it).
Photos of the gun posted here: http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-rev...iple-lock.html
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Tim, I have an early 57 in just such a case. It's still in my vault. The gun is a blued with a 5 11/16" barrel. Drew
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