|
|
06-08-2013, 10:23 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Kennesaw,Ga
Posts: 2,587
Likes: 3,984
Liked 5,561 Times in 1,154 Posts
|
|
Post war 5 screw one line K22 Pre 17 values
I sold my 1957 Pre 17 about six months ago and might be looking to add an early post war one liner Pre 17 to my collection. What are the values on these in 95-98% condition? What exactly are the Transitional models?
__________________
Get off my lawn!
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
06-08-2013, 11:27 PM
|
|
Moderator
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 26,897
Likes: 987
Liked 19,017 Times in 9,305 Posts
|
|
The Transitional model has some pre-war K-22 features, like the large ended ejector rod (went away first) and the single line "Made in U.S.A." rollmark on the right frame. If you search the 1896-1961 section for today's posts, I think some well-informed members suggested $750-800 for the single-line version; the large rod end type would go much higher, I think.
__________________
Alan
SWCA LM 2023, SWHF 220
|
06-08-2013, 11:32 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Kennesaw,Ga
Posts: 2,587
Likes: 3,984
Liked 5,561 Times in 1,154 Posts
|
|
Thanks Alan. What kind of price on the same condition 1st model Outdoorsmans, 1931-1940? I found one in 97% without box but its in beautiful condition.
__________________
Get off my lawn!
|
06-08-2013, 11:53 PM
|
|
Moderator
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 26,897
Likes: 987
Liked 19,017 Times in 9,305 Posts
|
|
That sounds to be a $1200+ gun, I think, but others here may differ (DC Wilson, where are you? ).
__________________
Alan
SWCA LM 2023, SWHF 220
|
06-09-2013, 12:13 AM
|
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: AZ
Posts: 7,420
Likes: 27,911
Liked 45,745 Times in 4,818 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by jsfricks
Thanks Alan. What kind of price on the same condition 1st model Outdoorsmans, 1931-1940? I found one in 97% without box but its in beautiful condition.
|
The answer is: It depends, but the range I would expect to see for a 97%+ gun would be in the $900 to $1,200 range [Edited to read $900 to $1,500 for 97%], depending on where you live, what vintage the OD (1 screw RS, 2 screw RS, Gold or "brilliant Call bead FS), what options are on the OD (HBH or regular hammer), and of course what makes up the 3% flaws...
For example:
Early K-22 Outdoorsman (1-Screw RS, Gold Call bead FS 1st year gun, 99%++)
Late K-22 Outdoorsman (2-Screw RS, Brilliant Call bead FS, HBH, 1938 gun, 99%):
FOR 97% guns: I would expect the large ejector rod knob post war K-22's to be in the $800 to $1,100 range (see factors above). And the one-liner K-22's to be only a slight premium to your basic 4 line 5-screw K-22s - somewhere in the $700-$900 range. Asking prices may be much higher, but I would expect them to change hands in the above range.
NOTE: In general, there were no true "transitional" Post-war K-22's. Transitional generally has the prewar long action hammer. The early post-war K-22's (through about K5500) generally have a large ejector rod and one-line "Made in USA". Other than those two feature, they are identical to the many later 5-screw K-22s:
Here is an example of a post-war, large ejector rod knob K-22 Masterpiece:
The pre-war K-22s and early post war K-22s are some of my favorite S&W's.
Good Luck,
__________________
Richard
Engraved S&W fan
Last edited by RKmesa; 06-10-2013 at 05:32 PM.
Reason: My Values Were Too Light - I must have been waxing nostalgic...
|
The Following 7 Users Like Post:
|
|
06-09-2013, 05:40 AM
|
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 13,995
Likes: 5,005
Liked 7,701 Times in 2,623 Posts
|
|
I pretty much agree with what has been said above. Anybody would be extremely lucky to get a prewar K-22 Outdoorsman in high 90s condition for less than $1000. A likelier price would be north of $1200, and maybe $1500 or higher for one with a box.
Among postwar guns, I think a dedicated hunter of varieties might pay $100 more for a single line specimen compared to a four line gun in the same condition. Among one-liners, the large ejector rod knob might boost the price $100-150 more for varietal collectors. But I suspect some sellers are unfamiliar with the large knob and one-line distinctions, perhaps lumping all five-screw pre-17s together. Many buyers may be detail-insensitive as well, so there is room for the occasional lucky purchase.
The ones I am a little perplexed about these days are the K-22 Second Models, or K-22/40s (barely a thousand manufactured just before WWII). A couple of years ago boxed specimens at 90% or above could still be seen changing hands for $2000-2500, and now I have the feeling that they just aren't available. I have heard of them being offered privately at asking prices over $4000 and once over $5000. Has anyone observed any recent sales that bear on this question?
__________________
David Wilson
|
06-09-2013, 10:41 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Kennesaw,Ga
Posts: 2,587
Likes: 3,984
Liked 5,561 Times in 1,154 Posts
|
|
Ok, thanks for all this. I found the pre war on a website for $1650 w/o box but I saw last night that it sold a few days ago on GB for $1450.
I've also found a post war one liner with TT,TH, and Target diamond stocks and standard ejector rod in 98% for $800 w/o box. Sounds like that might be a decent price.
__________________
Get off my lawn!
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
06-09-2013, 11:29 AM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 7,237
Likes: 18,554
Liked 11,103 Times in 3,302 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by jsfricks
I've also found a post war one liner with TT,TH, and Target diamond stocks and standard ejector rod in 98% for $800 w/o box. Sounds like that might be a decent price.
|
Show us the pictures when you buy it!
__________________
Miss My Buddy crsides!!
|
06-09-2013, 12:15 PM
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Cedar City,Utah
Posts: 2,901
Likes: 5
Liked 3,013 Times in 839 Posts
|
|
Sometimes they just fall in your lap. # 4339 K, absolutely no XXX's, shipped 9-23-1947. Transition revolver. $825 at the Big Reno show in 2010. I bought it as it was a low number. Didn't have a clue as to the one line or large ejector knob. I bought it for a shooter, but it is now a safe queen. This K22 pretty much got me interested in S&W's. Big Larry
|
The Following 7 Users Like Post:
|
|
06-09-2013, 02:47 PM
|
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: The Twin Cities
Posts: 2,354
Likes: 4,956
Liked 1,771 Times in 716 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Larry
Sometimes they just fall in your lap. # 4339 K, absolutely no XXX's, shipped 9-23-1947. Transition revolver. $825 at the Big Reno show in 2010. I bought it as it was a low number. Didn't have a clue as to the one line or large ejector knob. I bought it for a shooter, but it is now a safe queen. This K22 pretty much got me interested in S&W's. Big Larry
|
Wow, that was a bargain!
|
06-09-2013, 03:16 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 5,835
Likes: 5,161
Liked 5,242 Times in 2,483 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by jsfricks
[...] I've also found a post war one liner with TT,TH, and Target diamond stocks and standard ejector rod in 98% for $800 w/o box. Sounds like that might be a decent price.
|
Does this combination of features sound non-original to any one other than me?
|
06-09-2013, 04:21 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Kentucky, USA
Posts: 7,470
Likes: 2,830
Liked 6,261 Times in 2,170 Posts
|
|
Yep, target items would appear up above K 100,000 or even higher. They can be retrofitted to early ones, but it kills the collector interest and value.
__________________
Dick Burg
|
06-09-2013, 04:24 PM
|
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: AZ
Posts: 7,420
Likes: 27,911
Liked 45,745 Times in 4,818 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by k22fan
Does this combination of features sound non-original to any one other than me?
|
Yes - I think that that one just sold on GB, the three T's would not be correct for a one-liner gun. However, if it was the one on GB, it was a "tricked-out" beauty, albeit not original on the three T's.
Here's a link to the closed auction:
Smith & Wesson S&W K-22 Masterpiece 6" 22 LR : Revolvers at GunBroker.com
__________________
Richard
Engraved S&W fan
|
06-09-2013, 04:56 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 5,835
Likes: 5,161
Liked 5,242 Times in 2,483 Posts
|
|
Despite not being original after looking at all the great photos in the GB link I wanted it anyway. All it needs is a speed hammer, service trigger and magnas to be a highly desirable one liner. All I didn’t like was the price but it seems I don’t like any GB prices anymore.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
06-09-2013, 05:30 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Kennesaw,Ga
Posts: 2,587
Likes: 3,984
Liked 5,561 Times in 1,154 Posts
|
|
Yes, that was the one I was talking about but after thinking it over I thought I would keep looking. But that's good to know that it wasn't original, but I did like that trigger and hammer.
__________________
Get off my lawn!
|
06-10-2013, 06:34 PM
|
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Kennesaw,Ga
Posts: 2,587
Likes: 3,984
Liked 5,561 Times in 1,154 Posts
|
|
Well I worked a deal on a nice one today from around 1937, in beautiful condition with original box which is just as nice. Correct me if I'm wrong on the date, serial is 6634xx. These pics will have to do until it gets here.
__________________
Get off my lawn!
Last edited by jsfricks; 10-13-2013 at 05:47 PM.
|
The Following 6 Users Like Post:
|
|
06-10-2013, 07:42 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 5,835
Likes: 5,161
Liked 5,242 Times in 2,483 Posts
|
|
Just finding a LGS stocked with S&W revolvers is “exceptionally rare” in my area. You found a keeper. The box is amazing considering that it’s over 80 year old card board. Great stocks to!
|
06-10-2013, 07:44 PM
|
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: The Twin Cities
Posts: 2,354
Likes: 4,956
Liked 1,771 Times in 716 Posts
|
|
Wow, that is a beautiful Outdoorsman!
|
06-11-2013, 01:48 PM
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Cedar City,Utah
Posts: 2,901
Likes: 5
Liked 3,013 Times in 839 Posts
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by k22fan
Despite not being original after looking at all the great photos in the GB link I wanted it anyway. All it needs is a speed hammer, service trigger and magnas to be a highly desirable one liner. All I didn’t like was the price but it seems I don’t like any GB prices anymore.
|
As for collector value, it loses a lot of value and interest IMHO due to the fact it is missing it's original numbered stocks. The other stuff can be had, but not the original, high horn, numbered magnas. Big Larry
|
07-21-2013, 04:10 PM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Florida
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
|
|
k 22 masterpiece
I currently own a K 22 masterpiece, Ser#696952. It is, according to my research., the last serial number made. The revolver is in at least 95 % condition. As soon as I can upload photos, I will do so. This gun is going to be sold, as soon as I can find a new home for it.
|
09-18-2020, 06:10 AM
|
Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2020
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
|
|
Just saw a K53XXX with four-lines
Quote:
Originally Posted by RKmesa
NOTE: In general, there were no true "transitional" Post-war K-22's. Transitional generally has the prewar long action hammer. The early post-war K-22's (through about K5500) generally have a large ejector rod and one-line "Made in USA". Other than those two feature, they are identical to the many later 5-screw K-22s:
|
For a couple of weeks now I've been admiring a 5-screw post-war K-22 with a K53XXX serial number in a local gun shop for $975 (on consignment). Just today a second one showed up. The store owner said it was his (he'd just purchased it the day before). He had it for sale for $799 and it was almost exactly the same, except it was a K19XXX serial number (which is 1948 I think) and it had a one line "Made in USA" on the right of the frame whereas the K53XXX one I'd been admiring had four lines. I bought the one-line K19XXX one today.
I think both of these K-22 revolvers were made in 1948 actually. Both were in excellent condition, however the K53XXX four-line was slightly better perhaps. I checked that both had matching serial numbers on the cylinders (printed without the "k" prefix). I did not remove the grips and check the numbers there though. Another slight difference between them was the color of the wood in the grips: the K53XXX was lighter colored. The K19XXX I purchased had some nail polish on the front sight too, but I suppose that can be easily removed. Otherwise they both looked great! I'm new to collecting (this is really my 1st collection type gun purchase) so I don't know what % I'd rate them.
Last edited by TomBrown1234; 09-18-2020 at 06:21 AM.
|
The Following User Likes This Post:
|
|
09-18-2020, 07:32 PM
|
SWCA Member
|
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Dallas-Fort Worth
Posts: 4,239
Likes: 8,074
Liked 12,164 Times in 2,774 Posts
|
|
Welcome to the Forum, the K22s are great guns. I'm still looking for one from 1949. If in nice condition the price you paid sounds reasonable, actually more than reasonable, for a "one liner." Nice to have original grips with the gun's SN but they've often been switched and certainly wouldn't be a deal breaker for me if they were. Enjoy.
Jeff
SWCA #1457
|
|
Posting Rules
|
|
|
|
|